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It's pure literary snobbery Wibble Send a noteboard - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM
Yes Camilla, i'm looking at you ;)

Dan Brown writes airport novels. You're bored in an airport, you look for a book, this seems interesting, pulls you in from the start...sold. And Dan Brown had been doing that for several years largely unnoticed (and largely unsold) until the Davinci Code.

For some reason, that no-one can pinpoint (after all if we could we'd all be doing it), that book at that time in that place, had the x-factor for want of a better word. No it isn't the greatest literature ever, not it isn't entirely factual, not it may not be the greatest thriller on earth...but somehow it grabbed societies imagination and it didn't let go. Just like Rowling, just like Meyers...no one can plan it, it just happens.

Over 80million copies later there is little doubt it is a truly great airport novel.

Of course a lot of people jump on the FACT element and tear it to pieces *cough*Camilla*cough*, however lets actually look at that:

Firstly, it's a fictional book, it's a story, from front cover to back, and anyone who is going to get uppity about what he says inside it. Well really. It's called immersion people, say it's true at the start and you are hooking the audience from the get go. Hollywood does it all the time, with their stories 'based on truth'. But somehow when a book does it the snobbery comes out.

Secondly. Yes Dan Brown did say it was 99% true in an early publicity interview for the book...an early publicity interview for the book...go back and read that part again...PUBLICITY. Get it yet people? He was a struggling author selling about 10,000 copies each of his 1st 3 novels, at that stage you do anything to get publicity as you are trying to sell your book! And it worked, he finally became a great salesman (something many 'better' authors simply cannot do), who cares if it wasn't entirely accurate, it got books off the shelves.

He's since gone back and used words more akin to "alleged" and "rumored", and said he hopes his book stimulate debate etc. All fine by me.

So yes. Pure literary snobbery, that a 'hack' author can attain what many here would consider 'better' authors cannot. But really, the book isn't meant for a lot of people here. It's an airport novel, it's quick, fast entertainment. I quite liked it, it isn't great but it hits a spot.

The real miracle though is my father, and he probably is the intended audience in many regards. He's read less than 10 books in his life since he left school. Some car racing biographies, he gave lord of the rings a go after the movies, and Dan Brown...

Like Rowling, Dan Brown gets people to read. It fires their imagination, it creates debate, outrage, snobbery. It makes a big noise, a big fuss, and so more people pick it up to see what it's all about, my father being one of them. He quite liked it, so he read Angels and Demons, then Deception Point, he's looking forward to the new book. If the books get him to read more, well that makes me smile. Nice one Dan.
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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2648 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1496 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 1340 Views
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In defense of nothing in particular... - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1432 Views
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Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 769 Views
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burn *NM* - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 652 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 716 Views
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Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1370 Views
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Except - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 1366 Views
And ALSO except - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1444 Views
Re: And ALSO except - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 1334 Views
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How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1391 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1462 Views
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so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 1293 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 1349 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 661 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 1315 Views
Bull... - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 1324 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 1300 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 1318 Views
It's not hyperbole. - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 1343 Views
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I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 1348 Views
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Then why defend him? - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 1303 Views
No - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1461 Views
Examples. - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1546 Views
LOL - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1377 Views
Because he is shit? - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1624 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1406 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 1328 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 1340 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 1269 Views
Also - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 1388 Views
Hate is a strong word. - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1426 Views
Nicely put. *NM* - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 658 Views
*NM* - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 681 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 691 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 713 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 1311 Views
I think so. - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 1397 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 1308 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 1292 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 1315 Views
Okay, fair enough. - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 1267 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1424 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 1338 Views
ooo, lock me baby! - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1399 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1401 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1448 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 1332 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 1394 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 582 Views
She must have been reading too much Dan Brown. - 14/09/2009 10:58:51 PM 1301 Views
Yes it does - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 1304 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 705 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 711 Views
- 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM 1303 Views
Oh, I am sorry. - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 1216 Views
Well... - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 1293 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 1305 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 1396 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 666 Views
Now, now. - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 1298 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1391 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1364 Views
I'm indifferent to him - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 1344 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 1327 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 700 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 1272 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1420 Views
Re: Rose - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 1300 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 1208 Views
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He was over hyped to me. - 15/09/2009 04:15:32 AM 1315 Views
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Yes! *NM* - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 666 Views
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And move to a deserted island? - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1547 Views
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Lol. I agree wholeheartedly. - 16/09/2009 02:17:51 AM 1396 Views
My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1419 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 1286 Views
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Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1422 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 1300 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1436 Views
Misplaced superiority. - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1366 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 1368 Views
I couldn't say... - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1394 Views
It's pure literary snobbery - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1391 Views
I agree with you 100%. - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 1267 Views
Very nice summary. - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1436 Views
That's more than a little unfair. - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 1318 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1505 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 1201 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 897 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 682 Views
I don't get it either. - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 1290 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1548 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 1319 Views
That was lovely, thank you! - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 1300 Views
My pleasure - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 1459 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 898 Views
How do you know? *NM* - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 679 Views
I pop in there on occasion. - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1677 Views
Oh, it's a job. - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1449 Views

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