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It's pure literary snobbery Wibble Send a noteboard - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM
Yes Camilla, i'm looking at you ;)

Dan Brown writes airport novels. You're bored in an airport, you look for a book, this seems interesting, pulls you in from the start...sold. And Dan Brown had been doing that for several years largely unnoticed (and largely unsold) until the Davinci Code.

For some reason, that no-one can pinpoint (after all if we could we'd all be doing it), that book at that time in that place, had the x-factor for want of a better word. No it isn't the greatest literature ever, not it isn't entirely factual, not it may not be the greatest thriller on earth...but somehow it grabbed societies imagination and it didn't let go. Just like Rowling, just like Meyers...no one can plan it, it just happens.

Over 80million copies later there is little doubt it is a truly great airport novel.

Of course a lot of people jump on the FACT element and tear it to pieces *cough*Camilla*cough*, however lets actually look at that:

Firstly, it's a fictional book, it's a story, from front cover to back, and anyone who is going to get uppity about what he says inside it. Well really. It's called immersion people, say it's true at the start and you are hooking the audience from the get go. Hollywood does it all the time, with their stories 'based on truth'. But somehow when a book does it the snobbery comes out.

Secondly. Yes Dan Brown did say it was 99% true in an early publicity interview for the book...an early publicity interview for the book...go back and read that part again...PUBLICITY. Get it yet people? He was a struggling author selling about 10,000 copies each of his 1st 3 novels, at that stage you do anything to get publicity as you are trying to sell your book! And it worked, he finally became a great salesman (something many 'better' authors simply cannot do), who cares if it wasn't entirely accurate, it got books off the shelves.

He's since gone back and used words more akin to "alleged" and "rumored", and said he hopes his book stimulate debate etc. All fine by me.

So yes. Pure literary snobbery, that a 'hack' author can attain what many here would consider 'better' authors cannot. But really, the book isn't meant for a lot of people here. It's an airport novel, it's quick, fast entertainment. I quite liked it, it isn't great but it hits a spot.

The real miracle though is my father, and he probably is the intended audience in many regards. He's read less than 10 books in his life since he left school. Some car racing biographies, he gave lord of the rings a go after the movies, and Dan Brown...

Like Rowling, Dan Brown gets people to read. It fires their imagination, it creates debate, outrage, snobbery. It makes a big noise, a big fuss, and so more people pick it up to see what it's all about, my father being one of them. He quite liked it, so he read Angels and Demons, then Deception Point, he's looking forward to the new book. If the books get him to read more, well that makes me smile. Nice one Dan.
This message last edited by Wibble on 15/09/2009 at 11:14:55 PM
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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2524 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1389 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 1234 Views
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In defense of nothing in particular... - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1323 Views
Re: Thereby... - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM 1401 Views
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Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 704 Views
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burn *NM* - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 586 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 658 Views
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Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1267 Views
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Except - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 1245 Views
And ALSO except - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1343 Views
Re: And ALSO except - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 1245 Views
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How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1295 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1354 Views
With Jordan, that movement was glacial - 15/09/2009 01:58:08 PM 1230 Views
so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 1191 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 1244 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 604 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 1206 Views
Bull... - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 1225 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 1205 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 1219 Views
It's not hyperbole. - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 1234 Views
Yeah like that's not the case with you and Dan Brown. - 17/09/2009 06:56:37 PM 1265 Views
I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 1231 Views
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Then why defend him? - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 1200 Views
No - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1360 Views
Examples. - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1447 Views
LOL - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1271 Views
Because he is shit? - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1508 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1293 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 1223 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 1222 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 1170 Views
Also - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 1274 Views
Hate is a strong word. - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1334 Views
Nicely put. *NM* - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 607 Views
*NM* - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 622 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 633 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 657 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 1209 Views
I think so. - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 1294 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 1205 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 1192 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 1201 Views
Okay, fair enough. - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 1163 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1317 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 1234 Views
ooo, lock me baby! - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1295 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1297 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1347 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 1219 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 1295 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 519 Views
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Yes it does - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 1189 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 643 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 651 Views
- 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM 1214 Views
Oh, I am sorry. - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 1120 Views
Well... - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 1188 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 1201 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 1283 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 606 Views
Now, now. - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 1199 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1291 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1244 Views
I'm indifferent to him - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 1249 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 1209 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 630 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 1184 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1320 Views
Re: Rose - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 1201 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 1092 Views
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Yes! *NM* - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 601 Views
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And move to a deserted island? - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1431 Views
Those people are everywhere, but you don't have to talk to them - 17/09/2009 03:02:24 PM 1290 Views
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My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1317 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 1192 Views
I would hardly say I hate him - 15/09/2009 02:33:13 PM 1257 Views
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Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1327 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 1199 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1328 Views
Misplaced superiority. - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1270 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 1263 Views
I couldn't say... - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1282 Views
It's pure literary snobbery - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1286 Views
I agree with you 100%. - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 1154 Views
Very nice summary. - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1329 Views
That's more than a little unfair. - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 1217 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1387 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 1094 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 836 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 627 Views
I don't get it either. - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 1181 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1442 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 1211 Views
That was lovely, thank you! - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 1202 Views
My pleasure - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 1344 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 839 Views
How do you know? *NM* - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 623 Views
I pop in there on occasion. - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1575 Views
Oh, it's a job. - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1333 Views

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