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Well, regarding goodkind... jh Send a noteboard - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM
For Goodkind, it's a bit different. Most people who 'hate' his books, really just dislike the man, his ego, and his rather overblown opinion of the value of his own books.


The books are bad enough, at least later on, to hate them on their own merits. His attitude and the other stuff isn't helping, but I haven't put much weight to those things. After all, I could still read simmons or card... :P

Edit: totally forgot to add some words to make what I wrote somewhat understandable.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world" - Calvin.
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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? Tom - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2264 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1112 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Tom - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 984 Views
Re: It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:32:44 PM 1145 Views
In defense of italics... smaug - 14/09/2009 11:58:35 PM 1065 Views
Re: In defense of italics... Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:02:56 AM 1091 Views
I just rechecked... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:17:23 AM 997 Views
Thereby... Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:31:44 PM 1029 Views
I have a problem with comparing those italics. Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:33:53 PM 1031 Views
Oh probably Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:40:15 PM 1036 Views
Hehe Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:42:23 PM 1115 Views
In defense of nothing in particular... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1115 Views
Ah. Leroux did publish it as a serial in magazine first so that makes sense. *NM* Rebekah - 15/09/2009 11:19:40 PM 495 Views
Re: Thereby... Camilla - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM 1181 Views
I love that line, and nothing you say will change that. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:15:29 PM 1012 Views
That line is great smaug - 15/09/2009 11:21:03 PM 1025 Views
Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Tom - 15/09/2009 04:46:06 AM 1011 Views
Wow, the vehemence. Craig - 15/09/2009 05:55:38 AM 1038 Views
Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 594 Views
Yes. Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:38:34 PM 1026 Views
burn *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 478 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* Walker_Boh - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 570 Views
So you say... Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:47 AM 997 Views
No, he didn't. Werthead - 16/09/2009 04:44:31 AM 1066 Views
Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1045 Views
His attitude to history isn't really any different from that of most writers Tom - 15/09/2009 01:54:55 PM 1005 Views
Except Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 1028 Views
And ALSO except Tom - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1118 Views
Re: And ALSO except Camilla - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 1016 Views
I vehemently disagree with this! Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:33:05 PM 1295 Views
How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? Tom - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1051 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1107 Views
With Jordan, that movement was glacial Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:08 PM 1006 Views
so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 951 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? nossy - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 1007 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 472 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 956 Views
Bull... fionwe1987 - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 1004 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT Tom - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 970 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. Legolas - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 991 Views
It's not hyperbole. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 1018 Views
Yes, it is, and you're really going to have to back your stance up with arguments. Legolas - 17/09/2009 09:21:56 PM 1035 Views
No it isn't, and I won't. I'm bored with this debate. *NM* Tom - 18/09/2009 02:57:00 PM 530 Views
Yeah like that's not the case with you and Dan Brown. fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 06:56:37 PM 1038 Views
I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 983 Views
Heh. It was "favourite" fantasy series not "best". Rebekah - 17/09/2009 08:19:02 PM 982 Views
Then why defend him? fionwe1987 - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 949 Views
No Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1125 Views
Examples. Werthead - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1191 Views
LOL Rebekah - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1048 Views
Because he is shit? Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1246 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1023 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 1009 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 952 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 948 Views
Also Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 1037 Views
Hate is a strong word. PhotoJim - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1116 Views
Nicely put. *NM* Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 507 Views
*NM* Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 513 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 526 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* PhotoJim - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 536 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? Legolas - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 958 Views
I think so. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 1016 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 979 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? Darth_Katie - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 984 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 997 Views
Okay, fair enough. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 908 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown nossy - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1102 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 1001 Views
ooo, lock me baby! nossy - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1069 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. Craig - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1065 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. Legolas - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1121 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. jh - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 963 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' nossy - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 1035 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* jh - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 402 Views
She must have been reading too much Dan Brown. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:58:51 PM 998 Views
Yes it does nossy - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 959 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 526 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* jh - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 546 Views
Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM 992 Views
Oh, I am sorry. jh - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 887 Views
Well... Craig - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 968 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement Tom - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 956 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. Craig - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 1033 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 508 Views
Now, now. Craig - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 967 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1046 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1042 Views
I'm indifferent to him Larry - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 1030 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 975 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 523 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. Craig - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 951 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1093 Views
Re: Rose Craig - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 977 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 851 Views
I agree with your last sentence strongly. Joker - 26/09/2009 08:18:42 PM 1195 Views
I don't hate him, and I've never read any of his books Brian - 15/09/2009 01:45:37 AM 963 Views
He was over hyped to me. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:15:32 AM 977 Views
Da Vinci, not "Da Vinchi". The latter would be pronounced like "Da Vinki" in English. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:32:40 AM 508 Views
I will fix it for for you. I just didn't care enough to look up the spelling on it. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 02:49:08 PM 1074 Views
I agree it was way overhyped. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:12:39 AM 914 Views
Heh, I actually had the opposite. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:26:55 AM 1010 Views
The thing I hate the most is actually the fans who suddenly "know" stuff.... Sophy - 15/09/2009 07:49:22 AM 1107 Views
Yes! *NM* Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 490 Views
I try to avoid stupid people like that altogether Tom - 15/09/2009 01:49:53 PM 913 Views
And move to a deserted island? Sophy - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1172 Views
Those people are everywhere, but you don't have to talk to them Tom - 17/09/2009 03:02:24 PM 1033 Views
Lol. I agree wholeheartedly. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:17:51 AM 1024 Views
My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. MightyYT - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1081 Views
As I've said before, I don't disagree that he's a mediocre writer Tom - 15/09/2009 01:52:23 PM 956 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt AgentOrange - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 972 Views
I would hardly say I hate him Mark - 15/09/2009 02:33:13 PM 1016 Views
I think it's more the totally inexplicable nature of his success Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:48:28 PM 1132 Views
Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1105 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. Legolas - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 974 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1068 Views
Misplaced superiority. Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1039 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... jh - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 1002 Views
I couldn't say... Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1079 Views
well, you stuck with the poor quality books longer than me. *NM* jh - 16/09/2009 12:39:23 AM 501 Views
It's pure literary snobbery Wibble - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1011 Views
I agree with you 100%. Tom - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 940 Views
Very nice summary. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1090 Views
That's more than a little unfair. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 960 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. Sophy - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1104 Views
Where does the rule come from that you can't read good books while travelling? It is nonsense! Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:16:56 AM 1217 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 888 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 662 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* rebelaessedai - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 524 Views
I don't get it either. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 943 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom Geoff - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1139 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. jh - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 983 Views
That was lovely, thank you! Tom - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 978 Views
My pleasure Geoff - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 1023 Views
I don't. I think he's just average, though occasionally fun for an easy read/skim *NM* IndigoAjah - 17/09/2009 12:39:05 AM 535 Views
Plenty of them probably don't. They just don't have the guts to say what they truly think. *NM* Vodalus - 17/09/2009 10:10:39 PM 484 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 660 Views
How do you know? *NM* jh - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 529 Views
I pop in there on occasion. TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1266 Views
Oh, it's a job. jh - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1086 Views
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