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Yes, I really didn't remember that... (book seven spoilers) Legolas Send a noteboard - 13/11/2010 12:03:16 AM
Snape: The scene where Harry catches up with him is again delightful. He keeps him from using an unforgivable curse (an not for Snape's own sake alone, I think). And it is only when Harry calls him a coward that he reacts with anger (and, considering what he has just been through, you cannot really blame him at that point). And it is when that is repeated (mixed with the attribution of blame for the death of Lily (Harry refers to his father, but that entails the other), which probably makes it worse) that he really loses it. He intervenes to stop Harry being tortured, and he keeps instructing him all the way. How anyone could actually believe Snape was a bad guy is beyond me.

The part with Snape stopping Harry from being tortured, that is. The excuses he gives for that - and for running away immediately - aren't very convincing, considering the Ministry doesn't seem to find out until a good while later when Slughorn tells them. Good thing those other Death Eaters aren't the brightest cookies in the box and don't notice that Snape is doing what he can to protect Harry and the students of Hogwarts.

I also hadn't realized that Snape is blocking Harry's non-verbal spells by using his Legilimency skills.

Lupin evidently knew nothing about Lily's connection to Snape. Makes one wonder if James knew... well, after they got together, that is, he almost certainly didn't before.

It is one of Rowling's best scenes emotionally. Makes me all the more annoyed they butchered it beyond recognition in the movie. It was the defining moment for Snape, essential for the depth of his character, and they just had Rickman do the normal sneering Snape. I really, really wonder why. Was it just because they figure the audience (those who haven't read the books, anyway) consists of idiots?
Lupin: the description of his reaction to the news of Dumbledore's death is surprisingly effective. The exclamation, disbelief, the utter grief. I believe it. It is not fancy, a masterpiece of prose. But it is again that snapshot quality. The description of actions, then Harry's gloss. Lupin is the one who has continually relied on Dumbledore the most, I think. I mean, they all do, but there is something extra there. Dumbledore is the one who takes him in and allows him to form part of wizarding society in a way he would not otherwise have been able to do. It is he who provides him with the opportunity to have friends. He is the one who gives him a job, and it is to avoid giving him trouble that Lupin leaves. There is a very strong connection there, and I cannot help thinking that the idea of Dumbledore is what makes it possible for Lupin to go under cover. And then this.

Yes, makes sense. Same with Hagrid to some extent, though of course Hagrid is more emotional in general.
And, all right, so the scene with Tonks is fine. That does not mean I am convinced.

You should be. :P They're a perfectly credible couple.
The Order: their shock at Snape's apparent treachery is of course understandable, and McGonagall's almost fainting made it very apparent. But I am a little surprised that they are all so ready to stop trusting Dumbledore's judgement now he is dead. Yesyes, being killed by Snape does look very bad, but still. Then again, if any of them had as much as uttered any suggestion that there might be another explanation, I suspect Harry would have gone mental.

It is kind of sad that the Order so blindly relies on Dumbledore, accepting Snape because of him and then not doing it anymore once Dumbledore is dead. Of course, that all works out, but it's kind of unusual to have "the good side" function in such a hierarchical way with nearly everyone cut out of the loop, and following their lone leader. And then of course Harry continues that, he confides in the rest of the Trio, but not the Order. For all that he does love and trust many people, in the end his modus operandi is not so different from Voldemort's, confiding in very few people and thus risking that it'll all come falling down if he should die or be captured. That has to make things extremely frustrating for everybody else in Britain who wants to oppose Voldemort, particularly after the Ministry takeover.
Mrs Weasley and Fleur: one of Fleur's finest moments, I think. And it re-establishes her character, taking us back to who she was in the fourth book (at least in my mind) -- seeing her through the distorting lens of Harry via the Weasley women has suspended the strong part of her character, but here it is back. "I am beautiful enough for the both of us" is an excellent line.

It's a bit of a silly scene, because the whole prejudice against her was a bit silly from the start. The reader never thought that Fleur was a shallow bitch - or at least not anymore after getting to know her in book four - so it's not exactly a shock or noteworthy that she reacts like that. But good that the Weasley (+ Granger) women finally come to their senses, I suppose.
Scrimgeour: not his best move talking to Harry at the funeral. He isn't quite a diplomat.

Does he or his Ministry actually do anything useful during the entirety of his term in office? I'm having a hard time thinking of anything. Rather pathetic. But then of course we couldn't have that, the hero has to get the credit for defeating the villain. And since the story is set in a modern universe, that has to mean either the hero is part of the government/armed forces/secret service/whatever, or the government/etc. is completely incompetent. I don't suppose Rowling had much of a choice.
Ginny: I am suprised at how accepting she is. His point is a good one, of course, but still.

Yeah, generally the whole noble thing is a bit silly and women rightly quash it, but here he does have a point. I'm not sure breaking up makes much sense, but temporarily severing contact does, so I guess it amounts to the same thing either way.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM 2730 Views
General comments on the book. - 18/10/2010 06:14:10 PM 1582 Views
I am enjoying this a lot more than I thought I would. - 22/10/2010 07:25:17 PM 1705 Views
Yes, I'm loving that I can read in English again. - 22/10/2010 10:10:32 PM 1815 Views
Me too - 01/11/2010 02:11:28 PM 1568 Views
Suggestions. - 18/10/2010 06:18:46 PM 1623 Views
Re: Suggestions. - 20/10/2010 03:20:18 PM 1775 Views
*cough* - 09/11/2010 09:24:21 AM 1500 Views
Oh yes. I'm being distracted by Towers of Midnight. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:11:22 PM 931 Views
Shocking. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:43 PM 874 Views
Are we having a break right now? - 12/11/2010 06:48:10 PM 1671 Views
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Chapters 1-3: The Other Minister, Spinner's End, Will and Won't. - 18/10/2010 06:21:55 PM 1842 Views
Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys. - 18/10/2010 06:25:12 PM 1848 Views
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(minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 11:27:53 AM 1810 Views
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*spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 01:01:35 AM 1802 Views
Re: *spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 11:39:44 AM 1608 Views
Re: *spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 11:48:45 AM 1899 Views
I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 07:30:03 PM 1587 Views
Re: I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 08:33:44 PM 1705 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:28:16 PM 786 Views
Dumbledore-centered. - 19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM 1720 Views
Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:31:56 PM 1686 Views
Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:33:34 PM 1681 Views
Chapters 4-6: Horace Slughorn, An Excess of Phlegm, Draco's Detour. *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:44:39 PM 935 Views
Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,... - 20/10/2010 03:46:47 PM 1760 Views
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(Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 09:25:20 PM 1796 Views
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Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:20:28 PM 1592 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 21/10/2010 12:04:23 AM 1333 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 10:20:28 PM 1705 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:23:38 PM 1598 Views
Re: Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,... - 20/10/2010 10:15:58 PM 1736 Views
On Ron's reaction to Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:30:48 PM 1670 Views
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Fleur - 23/10/2010 05:11:08 PM 1555 Views
Dumbledore, Slughorn, Tonks, Mr & Mrs Weasley, Hermione, Narcissa and the twins. - 20/10/2010 09:23:04 PM 1619 Views
Characters. - 25/10/2010 03:10:35 AM 1550 Views
Plotting and writing. - 20/10/2010 03:47:55 PM 1677 Views
*minor spoilers for book 7* - 20/10/2010 09:23:44 PM 1719 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:48:07 PM 777 Views
Dumbledore's Stephen Fry moment... or maybe that's just me. - 22/10/2010 07:35:59 PM 1512 Views
It's not just you - 22/10/2010 08:34:25 PM 1500 Views
Chapters 7-9: Slug Club, Snape Victorious, The Half-Blood Prince *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:03 PM 929 Views
Characters *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:24 PM 873 Views
Harry, Romilda, Malfoy (in luuuve), Snape, Lavender Brown, McGonagall, Hermione and Slughorn. - 22/10/2010 07:26:19 PM 1758 Views
Thoughts about your thoughts. - 23/10/2010 05:28:10 PM 1510 Views
Re: Thoughts about your thoughts. - 24/10/2010 09:18:37 AM 1540 Views
More characters. - 25/10/2010 03:21:33 AM 1518 Views
Re: More characters. - 25/10/2010 10:27:33 AM 1517 Views
Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 07:54:35 PM 1697 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:04:24 PM 1629 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:54:46 PM 1553 Views
Slytherin had been in need of new blood for a long time. (And assorted other comments.) - 22/10/2010 10:34:49 PM 1713 Views
Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 1615 Views
Re: Neville. - 08/11/2010 02:35:57 PM 1698 Views
NEWT Potions - 24/10/2010 03:24:42 AM 1688 Views
Re: Characters - 24/10/2010 03:41:30 AM 1755 Views
Re: Characters - 25/10/2010 10:44:00 AM 1580 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:37 PM 875 Views
Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 07:27:23 PM 1641 Views
Malfoy and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 10:51:03 PM 1548 Views
Re: Malfoy and the DADA job. - 25/10/2010 11:31:57 AM 1573 Views
Re: Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 23/10/2010 05:32:27 PM 1562 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:50 PM 896 Views
I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1517 Views
Re: I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 23/10/2010 05:33:27 PM 1638 Views
Re: I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 25/10/2010 03:06:43 AM 1623 Views
Chapters 10-12: The House of Gaunt, Hermione's Helping Hand, Silver and Opals. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:00:02 PM 930 Views
Characters: The Gaunts, the Trio, Hagrid, and many more. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:02:07 PM 900 Views
Harry's continued insistence about Malfoy really irritates me (even though he's right). - 25/10/2010 06:15:23 PM 1789 Views
*lol* - 25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM 1649 Views
I don't hide from my faults. - 25/10/2010 08:01:39 PM 1487 Views
Re: I don't hide from my faults. - 28/10/2010 04:59:54 AM 1652 Views
Re: *lol* - 26/10/2010 09:50:09 AM 1641 Views
~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 03:14:52 PM 1535 Views
Re: ~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 09:49:12 PM 1499 Views
Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 25/10/2010 10:23:55 PM 1585 Views
Re: Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 26/10/2010 11:56:59 PM 1674 Views
Re: Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 27/10/2010 08:14:42 AM 1683 Views
Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1648 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM 1686 Views
Re: Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 26/10/2010 09:46:47 AM 1584 Views
The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1630 Views
Re: The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 08:10:46 AM 1555 Views
Things - 25/10/2010 10:24:19 PM 1657 Views
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Anything else? *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:03:32 PM 721 Views
Dumbledore still sounds like Stephen Fry. And reflections on the nature of Potions class. - 25/10/2010 05:11:24 PM 1500 Views
It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1635 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1481 Views
Yes, exactly like baking - and advanced baking involves experimenting, substituting, improvising. - 25/10/2010 06:42:42 PM 1686 Views
But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1595 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1554 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1616 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1604 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1568 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1567 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 1842 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 1718 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 761 Views
Indeed - 26/10/2010 09:20:43 AM 1611 Views
Chapters 13-15: The Secret Riddle, Felix Felicis, The Unbreakable Vow *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:16:28 PM 889 Views
Characters: The Trio, Ginny, Tom Riddle, Draco,... *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:12 PM 875 Views
Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna - 27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM 1587 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1562 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1595 Views
Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 02:02:01 PM 1751 Views
Re: Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 09:01:56 PM 1727 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 691 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1615 Views
Re: plot and writing. - 28/10/2010 05:07:03 AM 1767 Views
Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1635 Views
Re: Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 09:00:36 PM 1643 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:42 PM 725 Views
Re: Anything else? - 27/10/2010 10:30:55 PM 1749 Views
Re: Anything else? - 28/10/2010 04:56:10 AM 1697 Views
Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1555 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 1741 Views
Re: I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:44:22 AM 1603 Views
It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 1664 Views
Re: It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 11:48:19 AM 1487 Views
Chapters 16-18: A Very Frosty Christmas, A Sluggish Memory, Birthday Surprises *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:40:39 PM 862 Views
Characters: The Trio, Fleur, Scrimgeour, Percy, Remus, Slughorn,... *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:43:02 PM 950 Views
Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 1746 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:24:02 PM 1571 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:51:06 PM 1580 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:14:46 PM 1818 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:07:19 PM 1674 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 06:23:04 PM 1635 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 07:20:26 PM 1331 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 04/11/2010 04:03:02 AM 1570 Views
And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1587 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1512 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 1669 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 759 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1583 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1669 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 655 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 981 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1477 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:10:11 PM 1724 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:16:30 PM 1806 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 761 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 1799 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 779 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 1883 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 903 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 1642 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 1666 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 1683 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 794 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1606 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1661 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 1668 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1506 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1670 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 1645 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 778 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1497 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1338 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1547 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 804 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1588 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 1815 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1574 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 903 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 740 Views
Snape, Lupin, Hermione & Ron, the Order, Mrs Weasley & Fleur, Luna & Neville, Scrimgeour, Ginny *DH* - 09/11/2010 02:20:01 PM 1520 Views
Yes, I really didn't remember that... (book seven spoilers) - 13/11/2010 12:03:16 AM 1749 Views
Re: Yes, I really didn't remember that... (book seven spoilers) - 13/11/2010 09:35:04 AM 1678 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 869 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1519 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 04:49:06 PM 1572 Views
I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1670 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1659 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1628 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 1777 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 1915 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 750 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1643 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 1838 Views
Re: I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:58:56 PM 1540 Views
This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1663 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1643 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 1883 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2115 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1651 Views
Re: Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:58:59 PM 1754 Views

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