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Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. Camilla Send a noteboard - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM
Malfoy: he is showing the strain. And we know Harry is wrong that the mission is going badly. The paleness and thinness are therefore signs that he is not happy about the mission progressing as planned. The swagger and self-assurance is gone, not because he is failing, but probably because the horror of what he has to do is getting to him. This is confirmed, of course, in the bathroom scene.

Agreed. There were indications before that Malfoy wasn't entirely as Harry saw him, but these few paragraphs here completely alter our view of his character (well, okay, not ours because we knew it was coming, but that of the new reader). Draco's reaction mirrors that of his mother early in the book in terms of lashing out to hide his pain from outsiders, but there are limits to his self-control so he can't do so coldly and calmly as no doubt he'd like to do. And it's tempting to see the influence of aunt Bellatrix - who he must have been distancing himself from over the course of the year as he starts to realize he's really not cut out to be a DE - resurface in his attempted use of the Cruciatus.


Indeed.

What's interesting is that Draco mentions that "unless I do it soon, he says he'll kill me". That's even worse than what Narcissa had been fearing early on in the book - which was that Draco would die trying, one supposes by the hand of Dumbledore (which also makes one wonder just how badly Narcissa knows Dumbledore, but I digress). It's also a bizarre kind of threat, something that as far as I'm aware we don't see Voldemort telling anyone else. It would have made far more sense if he'd said "unless I do it soon, he'll kill my father", but no. Strange.


Yes, I was wondering about that, too.

And on the topic of the Cruciatus, it does make psychological sense in the scene, but still in a way it's Rowling letting Harry off easy. He had been intending to use Sectumsempra on an "enemy" who annoyed or irritated him, which would've essentially been unprovoked attempted murder, but now ends up merely doing it in reaction to an Unforgiveable curse. The result still shakes him up rather badly, but it's a far cry from what it would've been if he had done it to McLaggen for nagging at him, or to Draco during an exchange of more innocent hexes.


I agree. Just the idea of using it on McLaggen...

It's a good lesson to Harry on the meaning of the word "enemy", though. Evidently, Snape has rather more serious enemies as a schoolboy than just people annoying him, or at least expects to have such serious enemies in the future.


Yes. Or, rather, I think Harry does not imagine that anyone else could have enemies like he does. His idea of the Prince is one of schoolboy pranks (like the levitating spell). Not of someone needing to hurt someone bad. There are enemies outside of Hogwarts (evil, that will try to kill him), and then there are enemies inside Hogwarts (who will give him some sort of unpleasant but ultimately harmless trouble). His problem is that he confuses the two.

Ron and Hermione: their being in the boys' dormitories apparently alone must look suspicious to Lavender. While I am glad the whole absurde relationship is over, Hermione is right that Ron is a bit of a coward. Still, it is nice to see her cheery. And she so knows that Harry has a crush on Ginny. Hermione knows. And I like their reactions when Harry and Ginny finally get to it.

She definitely knows - he did give her a few hints even apart from his wandering eyes. Hermione's gloating over Ron and Lavender breaking up is a tad mean, but understandable.


I wouldn't say it is mean. There was never really anything there, I think.

Slughorn: he is such a delightful mix of the good and the bad. I like him. He is horrible in his calculating and downright greedy approach to Hagrid's grief. And his reference to having had house elves taste all the bottles in case they were poisoned is horrible. And the casual nature of it makes it worse. He is apparently not aware that it is wrong. But then he does give Harry the memory. Pressed and drunk, yes. But I am not sure that is to be held against him here. I like how he in contradictory. There is too much good vs evil in fantasy writing. His reason for keeping it secret is also interesting. Guilt or shame clearly plays a part. But it would also seem that he is reluctant to help kill Voldemort. Probably because he remembers Tom as a good student who treated him well. And his horror at the thought of Horcruxes show that while he is perhaps not a thoroughly decent fellow, he has a moral compass.

It is rather heartless to abuse Hagrid's confidence so, though on the other hand he does show his worth in exchange, by doing the little speech and joining Hagrid in his drinking binge. His prejudices show again in the memory scene (the "decent wizarding stock" remark), and again with the house elves thing. Quite grey character, yes.


Yes.

Snape: Using that type of deep legilimency (not just a surface skim to see if someone is lying or not) on a student without permission seems like a violation which should not be permitted. Still, the situation is quite singular. And he is surprisingly lenient when it comes to punishment, considering.

He is, isn't he? Especially considering how he wanted Harry expelled in earlier books - this is his best chance yet. I think we have to conclude he realizes it's too dangerous to expel Harry at this point.


Yes. It is now about protecting Lily's son again, I think.

He so knows about the HBP book thing, now. Or suspects, at least.


Oh, he knows.
I also noticed that the problematic spell checker quill in the beginning of the book finally had a plot point: the name is not recognisable as Ron's.

What I like about Harry there is that he doesn't look for excuses. He does of course say that he didn't know what the spell would do, but he doesn't mention the Cruciatus at all, nor does he use that as an excuse to justify his action to himself.


True.

Ginny: why is her face described as hard when she is approaching Harry to embrace him?

I think it just means she's determined.


Probably. It didn't work for me, though.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM 2663 Views
General comments on the book. - 18/10/2010 06:14:10 PM 1530 Views
I am enjoying this a lot more than I thought I would. - 22/10/2010 07:25:17 PM 1652 Views
Yes, I'm loving that I can read in English again. - 22/10/2010 10:10:32 PM 1765 Views
Me too - 01/11/2010 02:11:28 PM 1524 Views
Suggestions. - 18/10/2010 06:18:46 PM 1578 Views
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*cough* - 09/11/2010 09:24:21 AM 1445 Views
Oh yes. I'm being distracted by Towers of Midnight. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:11:22 PM 902 Views
Shocking. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:43 PM 849 Views
Are we having a break right now? - 12/11/2010 06:48:10 PM 1615 Views
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Chapters 1-3: The Other Minister, Spinner's End, Will and Won't. - 18/10/2010 06:21:55 PM 1792 Views
Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys. - 18/10/2010 06:25:12 PM 1789 Views
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(minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 11:27:53 AM 1759 Views
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*spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 01:01:35 AM 1748 Views
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Re: *spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 11:48:45 AM 1847 Views
I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 07:30:03 PM 1536 Views
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Anything else? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:28:16 PM 755 Views
Dumbledore-centered. - 19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM 1669 Views
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Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:33:34 PM 1615 Views
Chapters 4-6: Horace Slughorn, An Excess of Phlegm, Draco's Detour. *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:44:39 PM 911 Views
Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,... - 20/10/2010 03:46:47 PM 1705 Views
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(Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 09:25:20 PM 1740 Views
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Dumbledore, Slughorn, Tonks, Mr & Mrs Weasley, Hermione, Narcissa and the twins. - 20/10/2010 09:23:04 PM 1566 Views
Characters. - 25/10/2010 03:10:35 AM 1500 Views
Plotting and writing. - 20/10/2010 03:47:55 PM 1623 Views
*minor spoilers for book 7* - 20/10/2010 09:23:44 PM 1667 Views
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Dumbledore's Stephen Fry moment... or maybe that's just me. - 22/10/2010 07:35:59 PM 1459 Views
It's not just you - 22/10/2010 08:34:25 PM 1452 Views
Chapters 7-9: Slug Club, Snape Victorious, The Half-Blood Prince *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:03 PM 904 Views
Characters *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:24 PM 844 Views
Harry, Romilda, Malfoy (in luuuve), Snape, Lavender Brown, McGonagall, Hermione and Slughorn. - 22/10/2010 07:26:19 PM 1710 Views
Thoughts about your thoughts. - 23/10/2010 05:28:10 PM 1462 Views
Re: Thoughts about your thoughts. - 24/10/2010 09:18:37 AM 1481 Views
More characters. - 25/10/2010 03:21:33 AM 1466 Views
Re: More characters. - 25/10/2010 10:27:33 AM 1459 Views
Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 07:54:35 PM 1648 Views
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Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:54:46 PM 1495 Views
Slytherin had been in need of new blood for a long time. (And assorted other comments.) - 22/10/2010 10:34:49 PM 1667 Views
Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 1560 Views
Re: Neville. - 08/11/2010 02:35:57 PM 1639 Views
NEWT Potions - 24/10/2010 03:24:42 AM 1636 Views
Re: Characters - 24/10/2010 03:41:30 AM 1700 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:37 PM 848 Views
Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 07:27:23 PM 1590 Views
Malfoy and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 10:51:03 PM 1496 Views
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Re: Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 23/10/2010 05:32:27 PM 1512 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:50 PM 867 Views
I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1463 Views
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Chapters 10-12: The House of Gaunt, Hermione's Helping Hand, Silver and Opals. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:00:02 PM 905 Views
Characters: The Gaunts, the Trio, Hagrid, and many more. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:02:07 PM 877 Views
Harry's continued insistence about Malfoy really irritates me (even though he's right). - 25/10/2010 06:15:23 PM 1730 Views
*lol* - 25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM 1597 Views
I don't hide from my faults. - 25/10/2010 08:01:39 PM 1437 Views
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~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 03:14:52 PM 1489 Views
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Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 25/10/2010 10:23:55 PM 1534 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1601 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM 1638 Views
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The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1583 Views
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Things - 25/10/2010 10:24:19 PM 1618 Views
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Anything else? *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:03:32 PM 694 Views
Dumbledore still sounds like Stephen Fry. And reflections on the nature of Potions class. - 25/10/2010 05:11:24 PM 1443 Views
It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1590 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1433 Views
Yes, exactly like baking - and advanced baking involves experimenting, substituting, improvising. - 25/10/2010 06:42:42 PM 1626 Views
But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1547 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1488 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1563 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1560 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1514 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1511 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 1789 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 1668 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 737 Views
Indeed - 26/10/2010 09:20:43 AM 1565 Views
Chapters 13-15: The Secret Riddle, Felix Felicis, The Unbreakable Vow *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:16:28 PM 870 Views
Characters: The Trio, Ginny, Tom Riddle, Draco,... *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:12 PM 852 Views
Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna - 27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM 1536 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1512 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1535 Views
Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 02:02:01 PM 1700 Views
Re: Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 09:01:56 PM 1676 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 668 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1566 Views
Re: plot and writing. - 28/10/2010 05:07:03 AM 1704 Views
Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1581 Views
Re: Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 09:00:36 PM 1596 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:42 PM 709 Views
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Re: Anything else? - 28/10/2010 04:56:10 AM 1647 Views
Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1502 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 1677 Views
Re: I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:44:22 AM 1558 Views
It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 1618 Views
Re: It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 11:48:19 AM 1431 Views
Chapters 16-18: A Very Frosty Christmas, A Sluggish Memory, Birthday Surprises *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:40:39 PM 831 Views
Characters: The Trio, Fleur, Scrimgeour, Percy, Remus, Slughorn,... *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:43:02 PM 922 Views
Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 1695 Views
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Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:51:06 PM 1528 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:14:46 PM 1749 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:07:19 PM 1620 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 06:23:04 PM 1586 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 07:20:26 PM 1275 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 04/11/2010 04:03:02 AM 1517 Views
And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1527 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1457 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 1607 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 735 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1534 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1610 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 641 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 953 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1427 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:10:11 PM 1678 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:16:30 PM 1747 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 734 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 1741 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 754 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 1832 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 876 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 1597 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 1609 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 1630 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 765 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1552 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1609 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 1614 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1453 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1621 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 1591 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 751 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1446 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1280 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1494 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 772 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1534 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 1769 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1529 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 879 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 711 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 846 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1471 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 04:49:06 PM 1519 Views
I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1622 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1615 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1578 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 1725 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 1862 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 726 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1592 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 1781 Views
Re: I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:58:56 PM 1483 Views
This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1607 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1568 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 1827 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2067 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1598 Views
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