Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler*
Camilla Send a noteboard - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM
Harry is back to his old self, assuming Malfoy's plan is not working based on his physical appearance.
House elves show up again in Slughorn's casual reference that he has had them taste all the bottles.
We learn of Horcruxes. And the number 7.
It is very interesting that Dumbledore would say that as far as he knew no wizard had ever done more than rip his soul in two. This seems a little strange. Surely Grindewald or someone like that has killed more than two people? Of course, it does suggest the strong taboo of killing in the wizarding world. Perhaps he was just referring to the amount of horcruxes made, even if that is not what his words say.
I am a little fascinated by this (the pacifist in me, perhaps). What of the people killed in battle by the good guys? I cannot remember who kills who, but if Mrs Weasley kills Bellatrix, is her soul broken in two? Would she regret it enough to heal it again? Or when Harry kills Voldemort...
At any rate, we can start ticking off horcruxes (although if Voldemort split his soul in seven, shouldn't there be six horcruxes to begin with, then five left after he has used one of them to gain a life? Or is it a way of keeping the embodied soul suspended, so that it does not disappear when the body is killed? -- I was always a little unclear on that): the diary. One down, six to go. The ring. Two down...
So there are now four. And Voldemort.
The locket
The cup
Nagini
and Rowena Ravenclaw's tiara, if I am right?
And Harry?
Which brings us to ... 8?
I have always had trouble with this part of the books. Counting is not my strong suit, and I have a strong impression that Dumbeldore's counting is off here too. How does Harry fit in? Is he really a horcrux?
Anyway, the dicsussion in Dumbledore's office also clarifies why Draco is being punished. It is not just Lucius' failure, but his lack of care with the diary.
The discussion of prophecies is also interesting. If there are so many prophecies that do not come to pass, what is their importance? Are they the "most likely" scenario only? Are they triggered by being part of a series of events (Snape listening outside the door sets Trelawny off?) ... I am intrigued. At any rate, the power of choice is quite central again. While the presence of Prophecy had seemed to dampen it, that is here revoked.
We are also shown the hiding room version of the Room of Requirement, which will become important later. It is a little strange that he does not react to the Vanishing cabinet being there. After all, there is no reason why it should have to be hidden. Unless someone is up to no good. It is quite a well hidden clue, though. As is the tiara.
And I really enjoy Harry defending the Prince against Hermione's suggestion that he might be bad. If only he knew he was so sure Snape was not a bad guy.
House elves show up again in Slughorn's casual reference that he has had them taste all the bottles.
We learn of Horcruxes. And the number 7.
It is very interesting that Dumbledore would say that as far as he knew no wizard had ever done more than rip his soul in two. This seems a little strange. Surely Grindewald or someone like that has killed more than two people? Of course, it does suggest the strong taboo of killing in the wizarding world. Perhaps he was just referring to the amount of horcruxes made, even if that is not what his words say.
I am a little fascinated by this (the pacifist in me, perhaps). What of the people killed in battle by the good guys? I cannot remember who kills who, but if Mrs Weasley kills Bellatrix, is her soul broken in two? Would she regret it enough to heal it again? Or when Harry kills Voldemort...
At any rate, we can start ticking off horcruxes (although if Voldemort split his soul in seven, shouldn't there be six horcruxes to begin with, then five left after he has used one of them to gain a life? Or is it a way of keeping the embodied soul suspended, so that it does not disappear when the body is killed? -- I was always a little unclear on that): the diary. One down, six to go. The ring. Two down...
So there are now four. And Voldemort.
The locket
The cup
Nagini
and Rowena Ravenclaw's tiara, if I am right?
And Harry?
Which brings us to ... 8?
I have always had trouble with this part of the books. Counting is not my strong suit, and I have a strong impression that Dumbeldore's counting is off here too. How does Harry fit in? Is he really a horcrux?
Anyway, the dicsussion in Dumbledore's office also clarifies why Draco is being punished. It is not just Lucius' failure, but his lack of care with the diary.
The discussion of prophecies is also interesting. If there are so many prophecies that do not come to pass, what is their importance? Are they the "most likely" scenario only? Are they triggered by being part of a series of events (Snape listening outside the door sets Trelawny off?) ... I am intrigued. At any rate, the power of choice is quite central again. While the presence of Prophecy had seemed to dampen it, that is here revoked.
We are also shown the hiding room version of the Room of Requirement, which will become important later. It is a little strange that he does not react to the Vanishing cabinet being there. After all, there is no reason why it should have to be hidden. Unless someone is up to no good. It is quite a well hidden clue, though. As is the tiara.
And I really enjoy Harry defending the Prince against Hermione's suggestion that he might be bad. If only he knew he was so sure Snape was not a bad guy.
*MySmiley*
structured procrastinator
structured procrastinator
This message last edited by Camilla on 04/11/2010 at 12:24:55 AM
The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM
- 2746 Views
General comments on the book.
18/10/2010 06:14:10 PM
- 1594 Views
Suggestions.
18/10/2010 06:18:46 PM
- 1640 Views
*cough*
09/11/2010 09:24:21 AM
- 1518 Views
Chapters 1-3: The Other Minister, Spinner's End, Will and Won't.
18/10/2010 06:21:55 PM
- 1859 Views
Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys.
18/10/2010 06:25:12 PM
- 1868 Views
Re: Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys.
18/10/2010 06:55:06 PM
- 1861 Views
Re: Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys.
19/10/2010 01:07:59 AM
- 1876 Views
*spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters
19/10/2010 01:01:35 AM
- 1816 Views
Plotting and writing.
18/10/2010 06:27:40 PM
- 1364 Views
*spoilers for book 7* focalisation and why I'l accept it this time, the power/powerless issue &stuff
19/10/2010 01:02:53 AM
- 1631 Views
Re: *spoilers for book 7* focalisation and why I'l accept it this time, the power/powerless issue
20/10/2010 02:58:54 PM
- 1594 Views
Re: *spoilers for book 7* focalisation and why I'l accept it this time, the power/powerless issue
20/10/2010 03:14:35 PM
- 1692 Views
Anything else? *NM*
18/10/2010 06:28:16 PM
- 794 Views
Dumbledore-centered.
19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM
- 1734 Views
Chapters 4-6: Horace Slughorn, An Excess of Phlegm, Draco's Detour. *NM*
20/10/2010 03:44:39 PM
- 947 Views
Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,...
20/10/2010 03:46:47 PM
- 1779 Views
Re: Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,...
20/10/2010 05:27:26 PM
- 1786 Views
(Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur...
20/10/2010 09:25:20 PM
- 1818 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur...
20/10/2010 09:46:08 PM
- 1732 Views
Re: Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,...
20/10/2010 10:15:58 PM
- 1752 Views
Dumbledore, Slughorn, Tonks, Mr & Mrs Weasley, Hermione, Narcissa and the twins.
20/10/2010 09:23:04 PM
- 1642 Views
Re: Dumbledore, Slughorn, Tonks, Mr & Mrs Weasley, Hermione, Narcissa and the twins.
20/10/2010 09:56:28 PM
- 1618 Views
Re: Dumbledore, Slughorn, Tonks, Mr & Mrs Weasley, Hermione, Narcissa and the twins.
20/10/2010 10:17:23 PM
- 1797 Views
Anything else? *NM*
20/10/2010 03:48:07 PM
- 787 Views
So. Inferi are zombies aren't they? I just realised. Ick. Do they eat brains? *NM*
20/10/2010 09:24:03 PM
- 852 Views
I was kind of disappointed that Harry didn't remark on that fact.
*NM*
22/10/2010 07:24:11 PM
- 900 Views

Chapters 7-9: Slug Club, Snape Victorious, The Half-Blood Prince *NM*
22/10/2010 07:23:03 PM
- 938 Views
Characters *NM*
22/10/2010 07:23:24 PM
- 888 Views
Harry, Romilda, Malfoy (in luuuve), Snape, Lavender Brown, McGonagall, Hermione and Slughorn.
22/10/2010 07:26:19 PM
- 1774 Views
Love is in the air, evidently.
22/10/2010 07:54:35 PM
- 1711 Views
Slytherin had been in need of new blood for a long time. (And assorted other comments.)
22/10/2010 10:34:49 PM
- 1728 Views
Re: Slytherin had been in need of new blood for a long time. (And assorted other comments.)
25/10/2010 10:33:04 AM
- 1447 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM*
22/10/2010 07:23:37 PM
- 885 Views
Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job.
22/10/2010 07:27:23 PM
- 1657 Views
Anything else? *NM*
22/10/2010 07:23:50 PM
- 903 Views
I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions.
22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM
- 1528 Views
I'm not sure if I noticed this before, but awesome Tolkien shout-out there.
22/10/2010 09:58:27 PM
- 1620 Views
Re: I'm not sure if I noticed this before, but awesome Tolkien shout-out there.
23/10/2010 05:34:25 PM
- 1626 Views
Re: I'm not sure if I noticed this before, but awesome Tolkien shout-out there.
25/10/2010 10:35:43 AM
- 1667 Views
Chapters 10-12: The House of Gaunt, Hermione's Helping Hand, Silver and Opals. *NM*
25/10/2010 05:00:02 PM
- 938 Views
Characters: The Gaunts, the Trio, Hagrid, and many more. *NM*
25/10/2010 05:02:07 PM
- 907 Views
Harry's continued insistence about Malfoy really irritates me (even though he's right).
25/10/2010 06:15:23 PM
- 1802 Views
*lol*
25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM
- 1663 Views
Re: Harry's continued insistence about Malfoy really irritates me (even though he's right).
26/10/2010 09:23:09 AM
- 1579 Views
Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry
25/10/2010 10:23:55 PM
- 1597 Views
Plotting and writing.
25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM
- 1661 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight.
25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM
- 1699 Views
Re: Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight.
26/10/2010 09:46:47 AM
- 1598 Views
Anything else? *NM*
25/10/2010 05:03:32 PM
- 729 Views
Dumbledore still sounds like Stephen Fry. And reflections on the nature of Potions class.
25/10/2010 05:11:24 PM
- 1515 Views
It's like baking, I think.
25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM
- 1646 Views
Yes, exactly like baking - and advanced baking involves experimenting, substituting, improvising.
25/10/2010 06:42:42 PM
- 1712 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing?
25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM
- 1631 Views
I think it's a magic thing.
25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM
- 1616 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7
25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM
- 1581 Views
Re: It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7
27/10/2010 04:31:45 PM
- 1613 Views
parseltongue
25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM
- 1729 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines.
*NM*
25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM
- 769 Views

Chapters 13-15: The Secret Riddle, Felix Felicis, The Unbreakable Vow *NM*
27/10/2010 04:16:28 PM
- 899 Views
Characters: The Trio, Ginny, Tom Riddle, Draco,... *NM*
27/10/2010 04:17:12 PM
- 881 Views
Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna
27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM
- 1600 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around.
29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM
- 1576 Views
Re: My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around.
29/10/2010 09:06:16 PM
- 1568 Views
Re: My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around.
29/10/2010 11:02:15 PM
- 1627 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM*
27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM
- 699 Views
plot and writing.
27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM
- 1629 Views
Anything else? *NM*
27/10/2010 04:17:42 PM
- 730 Views
Re: Anything else?
27/10/2010 10:30:55 PM
- 1770 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though.
28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM
- 1756 Views
Re: I wonder if that's actually true, though.
28/10/2010 10:44:22 AM
- 1618 Views
Crabbe and Goyle show us what happens when you fail (most of? all of?) your OWLs.
29/10/2010 02:10:39 PM
- 1744 Views
Chapters 16-18: A Very Frosty Christmas, A Sluggish Memory, Birthday Surprises *NM*
29/10/2010 05:40:39 PM
- 870 Views
Characters: The Trio, Fleur, Scrimgeour, Percy, Remus, Slughorn,... *NM*
29/10/2010 05:43:02 PM
- 957 Views
Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour
29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM
- 1759 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour
02/11/2010 06:23:04 PM
- 1650 Views
Anything else? *NM*
29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM
- 765 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM*
01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM
- 665 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM*
01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM
- 988 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks
01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM
- 1494 Views
Anything else? *NM*
01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM
- 788 Views
I want to hear the joke about the hag, the Healer and the Mimbulus mimbletonia. *NM*
01/11/2010 02:10:11 PM
- 1370 Views
Me too. And is a "hag" just an old witch, or something more specific?
03/11/2010 09:52:12 PM
- 1691 Views
Re: Me too. And is a "hag" just an old witch, or something more specific?
03/11/2010 09:54:05 PM
- 1967 Views
Re: Me too. And is a "hag" just an old witch, or something more specific?
08/11/2010 01:54:59 PM
- 1627 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra
03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM
- 1895 Views
Characters. *NM*
03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM
- 911 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny.
04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM
- 1655 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM*
03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM
- 804 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler*
03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM
- 1619 Views
Re: Stuff.
04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM
- 1673 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7*
04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM
- 1687 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here...
04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM
- 1523 Views

Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower
05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM
- 1515 Views
Characters: Harry, Trelawney, Dumbledore, Draco, Snape. And maybe some other people. *NM*
05/11/2010 05:38:19 PM
- 776 Views
Romilda, Snape, Trelawny, Draco, Dumbledore, Voldemort, Harry *spoilers book 7*
05/11/2010 07:34:01 PM
- 1615 Views
Anything else? *NM*
05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM
- 810 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing
05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM
- 1602 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers)
05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM
- 1839 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM*
09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM
- 910 Views
Characters. *NM*
09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM
- 747 Views
Snape, Lupin, Hermione & Ron, the Order, Mrs Weasley & Fleur, Luna & Neville, Scrimgeour, Ginny *DH*
09/11/2010 02:20:01 PM
- 1532 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM*
09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM
- 876 Views
Spoilers.
09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM
- 1531 Views
Re: Spoilers.
09/11/2010 04:49:06 PM
- 1587 Views
I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did.
13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM
- 1682 Views
Very true.
15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM
- 1674 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention.
15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM
- 1643 Views
With my keen attention to detail, I somehow missed that.
Another good catch!
15/11/2010 09:36:37 PM
- 1818 Views

Anything else? *NM*
09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM
- 756 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday
09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM
- 1654 Views
This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies.
09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM
- 1676 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies.
09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM
- 1656 Views
I just watched OotP again Saturday night... quite shocking there as well.
15/11/2010 04:45:48 PM
- 1766 Views
Re: I just watched OotP again Saturday night... quite shocking there as well.
15/11/2010 04:50:57 PM
- 1585 Views