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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? Tom Send a noteboard - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM
I'm posting this discussion as its own thread because I've seen a lot of visceral hatred of Dan Brown and all things appurtenant thereto, and I frankly don't understand it.

From what I can tell, people hate Dan Brown for one of the following reasons:

1. He writes fiction but pretends that some of it is true or based in truth

2. He plays on the ignorance of the general populace to sell books

or

3. He slanders the Roman Catholic Church and traditional Christianity.

Let's take these points in reverse order:

Allegations of Slandering Christianity

First of all, this point shouldn't be relevant in modern society. Enough books, movies and television shows have been made that are far more slanderous or libelous from a standpoint of faith than Dan Brown's little books. The Last Temptation of Christ is just as unorthodox, The Jesus Mysteries claim that there was no historical Jesus and your standard Jack Chick comic strip is more rabidly anti-Catholic than the lot just mentioned. Furthermore, Dan Brown's notion about Jesus and Mary Magdalene is simply a regurgitation of ideas and beliefs that were around in 300 AD (with the exception of the Merovingian bloodline claims, which are just silly). Regardless, given the composition of this website, I don't think this is the primary reason your average RAFhOle doesn't like Dan Brown.

Allegations Dan Brown Uses Ignorance to His Advantage

Good for him! People who choose to remain ignorant deserve a good fleecing every now and then. Furthermore, I don't see how Dan Brown in this regard is different from thousands of writers who print books for the gullible public which are NOT in novel form but which purport to "document" alien encounters, seances with spirits, the Loch Ness Monster, the Yeti, hollow earth theories, Illuminati conspiracies and the like. Dan Brown does admit that his book is a work of fiction. He isn't like John Edward, who claims he can speak with dead people for money, or even like your garden variety psychic or astrologer, the vast majority of whom are almost certainly quacks.

Allegations Dan Brown passes off Fiction as Fact

Basically, from what I can tell, the problems that people have in this regard is that he states that the Priory of Sion is centuries old, when in fact it is clearly not, or a few other points like that. The simple fact is that a lot of the material that he references to make his work of fiction are really in existence. I own a critical edition of the Nag Hammadi library in English and Coptic and there is indeed a Gnostic text where Jesus and Mary Magdalene are said to be more than just friends and that they would kiss one another in front of the disciples. There is a gnomon in St. Sulpice.

Yes, Brown misstates some things and exaggerates the importance of other things. On the other hand, how is he different from virtually ever writer of fiction out there? Hell, let's take an example of a movie that I like - The Mummy with Brendan Fraser. As someone with a love of Egypt, the film is about maybe 2% accurate in its portrayal of Egypt (if that). The sequel was even worse, though admittedly some of the errors that I found the grossest were the result of the studios asking Egyptologists about constructed original forms for words rather than New Kingdom vocalizations, which led to silly pronunciations like "yamun" for what should have been "aman" (indeed, the Amarna Letters confirm this pronunciation and scholars have written that there is no dispute about this pronunciation, nor has there been for over 50 years).

The point is that I'm used to this in entertainment.

What am I missing?

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2308 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1162 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 1034 Views
Re: It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. - 14/09/2009 09:32:44 PM 1188 Views
In defense of italics... - 14/09/2009 11:58:35 PM 1107 Views
Re: In defense of italics... - 15/09/2009 08:02:56 AM 1128 Views
I just rechecked... - 15/09/2009 11:17:23 AM 1039 Views
Thereby... - 15/09/2009 10:31:44 PM 1068 Views
I have a problem with comparing those italics. - 15/09/2009 10:33:53 PM 1071 Views
Oh probably - 15/09/2009 10:40:15 PM 1087 Views
Hehe - 15/09/2009 10:42:23 PM 1155 Views
In defense of nothing in particular... - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1155 Views
Re: Thereby... - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM 1223 Views
I love that line, and nothing you say will change that. - 15/09/2009 11:15:29 PM 1044 Views
That line is great - 15/09/2009 11:21:03 PM 1074 Views
Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD - 15/09/2009 04:46:06 AM 1053 Views
Wow, the vehemence. - 15/09/2009 05:55:38 AM 1082 Views
Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 614 Views
Yes. - 15/09/2009 03:38:34 PM 1068 Views
burn *NM* - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 496 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 588 Views
So you say... - 16/09/2009 02:17:47 AM 1045 Views
No, he didn't. - 16/09/2009 04:44:31 AM 1124 Views
Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1088 Views
His attitude to history isn't really any different from that of most writers - 15/09/2009 01:54:55 PM 1054 Views
Except - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 1061 Views
And ALSO except - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1161 Views
Re: And ALSO except - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 1054 Views
I vehemently disagree with this! - 14/09/2009 09:33:05 PM 1340 Views
How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1092 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1146 Views
With Jordan, that movement was glacial - 15/09/2009 01:58:08 PM 1046 Views
so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 995 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 1053 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 493 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 1001 Views
Bull... - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 1051 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 1018 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 1035 Views
It's not hyperbole. - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 1055 Views
Yeah like that's not the case with you and Dan Brown. - 17/09/2009 06:56:37 PM 1084 Views
I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 1029 Views
Heh. It was "favourite" fantasy series not "best". - 17/09/2009 08:19:02 PM 1028 Views
Then why defend him? - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 1000 Views
No - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1161 Views
Examples. - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1241 Views
LOL - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1087 Views
Because he is shit? - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1293 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1069 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 1045 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 996 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 986 Views
Also - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 1082 Views
Hate is a strong word. - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1155 Views
Nicely put. *NM* - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 520 Views
*NM* - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 531 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 543 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 558 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 998 Views
I think so. - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 1061 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 1020 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 1026 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 1039 Views
Okay, fair enough. - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 950 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1143 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 1048 Views
ooo, lock me baby! - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1111 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1117 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1159 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 1013 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 1085 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 420 Views
She must have been reading too much Dan Brown. - 14/09/2009 10:58:51 PM 1036 Views
Yes it does - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 1005 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 548 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 560 Views
- 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM 1036 Views
Oh, I am sorry. - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 922 Views
Well... - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 1014 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 1005 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 1076 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 523 Views
Now, now. - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 1009 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1095 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1081 Views
I'm indifferent to him - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 1071 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 1021 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 540 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 988 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1134 Views
Re: Rose - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 1020 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 898 Views
I agree with your last sentence strongly. - 26/09/2009 08:18:42 PM 1238 Views
I don't hate him, and I've never read any of his books - 15/09/2009 01:45:37 AM 1004 Views
He was over hyped to me. - 15/09/2009 04:15:32 AM 1021 Views
I agree it was way overhyped. - 16/09/2009 02:12:39 AM 954 Views
Heh, I actually had the opposite. - 16/09/2009 05:26:55 AM 1054 Views
The thing I hate the most is actually the fans who suddenly "know" stuff.... - 15/09/2009 07:49:22 AM 1148 Views
Yes! *NM* - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 509 Views
I try to avoid stupid people like that altogether - 15/09/2009 01:49:53 PM 962 Views
And move to a deserted island? - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1213 Views
Those people are everywhere, but you don't have to talk to them - 17/09/2009 03:02:24 PM 1076 Views
Lol. I agree wholeheartedly. - 16/09/2009 02:17:51 AM 1064 Views
My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1124 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 1014 Views
I would hardly say I hate him - 15/09/2009 02:33:13 PM 1057 Views
I think it's more the totally inexplicable nature of his success - 15/09/2009 03:48:28 PM 1169 Views
Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1146 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 1013 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1109 Views
Misplaced superiority. - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1076 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 1042 Views
I couldn't say... - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1119 Views
It's pure literary snobbery - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1054 Views
I agree with you 100%. - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 982 Views
Very nice summary. - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1134 Views
That's more than a little unfair. - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 1001 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1147 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 928 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 678 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 539 Views
I don't get it either. - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 988 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1186 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 1021 Views
That was lovely, thank you! - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 1022 Views
My pleasure - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 1069 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 680 Views
How do you know? *NM* - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 545 Views
I pop in there on occasion. - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1305 Views
Oh, it's a job. - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1136 Views

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