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Re: *spoilers for book 7* focalisation and why I'l accept it this time, the power/powerless issue Legolas Send a noteboard - 20/10/2010 02:58:54 PM
Yes. I am still not quite happy with this strange and erratic switch of focus. But I'll forgive the first one because it (as the one in book 4 did) shows how magic intrudes so horribly into the world of powerless muggles, which has grown to be a major sub-theme (if there is such a thing). The very casual way in which it can be arranged that the President of some country can "forget" to call, and remember to do it tomorrow instead, for example. Not to mention the obvious problems that the Death Eaters are causing. It also shows up in the third chapter, if obliquely: Dumbledore's wand by its mere presence subdues the Dursleys, who dare not express themselves as they would otherwise have done. It is problematic. Unavoidable, perhaps, but still. Interestingly, the forced (more overtly) lack of expression in Kreecher echoes this. In my mind, at least. It ties the two together.

Good point. And of course it has the advantage of giving us an idea of just how hard Voldemort is going at it now that his secrecy has ended - by showing how much even the Muggles are noticing, it's stronger than it would've been with just Prophet reporting. He really has come out guns blazing now, I never really fully appreciated the contrast before - iirc one of the final chapters of book four is called "The Second Wizard War Starts" or some such, but it's only here that it has really started, almost from one day to the next.
Actually, my main problem with the alternative focalization stems from the way she used it in the first three books to keep information from the reader, making it read like a detective story. She moves away from the detective story pattern in the fourth and fifth books, and I suppose that while it is present to a certain degree in this book, it is also radically changed. Seeing as Harry is right for a change, for instance (which is confirmed even before he is right). Still.

True, there are less detective elements in the final books, though obviously we still have the big plot involving Draco and Snape that we'll get clues about in the usual style. But it's not Harry's main concern.
Also, I forgive the second one because it shows Snape outside of Hogwarts, doing something good that looks bad. I love that. It makes me giddy.

Yes, it is interesting. I find it interesting for all three of them, really, though it gives us little new insight into Bellatrix. But Narcissa - I commented on her above in my reply to Seriana, but I skimmed the chapter again now and it really goes even further than what I said. It's not just that the Malfoys are opportunists, I am beginning to think they are actually afraid and not happy at all with Voldemort's return. Certainly Narcissa, but perhaps Lucius as well. And why should they be - they have little to gain, but much to lose.

Which makes it really kind of shocking how easily Voldemort can gain power during this book and the next one. When even a crucial ally like Malfoy is serving more because of fear than any real enthusiasm, the conclusion is Voldemort really has little more than a handful of outcasts and breakout convicts plus those he intimidates into supporting him, and that's enough to take over wizarding Britain. I'm now kind of reminded of the Catiline Conspiracy (yes, an odd connection, I know, but I'm reading a biography of Caesar, soon to be reviewed), only with an obviously more exceptional leader and with actual success. Or, I suppose, the inevitable Nazism comparisons, but you know, they started out a similar way perhaps (charismatic leader with a handful of lieutenants and a bunch of outcast losers) but only got real power after getting a massive popular following.

And to think his best people are actually in jail while he's doing all those things, so he's left with really close to nothing besides Bellatrix.
In the third chapter, it is interesting to see how close the papers are to the truth about the prophecy. I suppose one narrative pattern fits another. We also get the rift between Dumbledore and Scrimgeour, and inferi are introduced.

Yeah, which kind of proves the Prophet is quite good when they want to be, and they just didn't want to be earlier...
It also occurs to me that Dumbledore's "we have corresponded, of course" to Petunia means something other than what Harry attributes to it (shock) -- as is revealed in book 7, I think?

Indeed.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM 3165 Views
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Suggestions. - 18/10/2010 06:18:46 PM 1863 Views
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Chapters 1-3: The Other Minister, Spinner's End, Will and Won't. - 18/10/2010 06:21:55 PM 2085 Views
Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys. - 18/10/2010 06:25:12 PM 2092 Views
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*spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 01:01:35 AM 2056 Views
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I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 07:30:03 PM 1840 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 18/10/2010 06:27:40 PM 1600 Views
*spoilers for book 7* focalisation and why I'l accept it this time, the power/powerless issue &stuff - 19/10/2010 01:02:53 AM 1887 Views
Re: *spoilers for book 7* focalisation and why I'l accept it this time, the power/powerless issue - 20/10/2010 02:58:54 PM 1822 Views
Oh, her writing is glorious in these chapters. - 22/10/2010 07:31:14 PM 1916 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:28:16 PM 957 Views
Dumbledore-centered. - 19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM 1980 Views
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Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:33:34 PM 1915 Views
Chapters 4-6: Horace Slughorn, An Excess of Phlegm, Draco's Detour. *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:44:39 PM 1098 Views
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Dumbledore, Slughorn, Tonks, Mr & Mrs Weasley, Hermione, Narcissa and the twins. - 20/10/2010 09:23:04 PM 1874 Views
Characters. - 25/10/2010 03:10:35 AM 1800 Views
Plotting and writing. - 20/10/2010 03:47:55 PM 1900 Views
*minor spoilers for book 7* - 20/10/2010 09:23:44 PM 1945 Views
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Dumbledore's Stephen Fry moment... or maybe that's just me. - 22/10/2010 07:35:59 PM 1736 Views
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Thoughts about your thoughts. - 23/10/2010 05:28:10 PM 1769 Views
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Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:54:46 PM 1809 Views
Slytherin had been in need of new blood for a long time. (And assorted other comments.) - 22/10/2010 10:34:49 PM 1959 Views
Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 1862 Views
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NEWT Potions - 24/10/2010 03:24:42 AM 1940 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:37 PM 1039 Views
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Re: Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 23/10/2010 05:32:27 PM 1795 Views
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I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1759 Views
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*lol* - 25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM 1879 Views
I don't hide from my faults. - 25/10/2010 08:01:39 PM 1722 Views
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~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 03:14:52 PM 1784 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1895 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM 1929 Views
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The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1878 Views
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Things - 25/10/2010 10:24:19 PM 1922 Views
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Anything else? *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:03:32 PM 865 Views
Dumbledore still sounds like Stephen Fry. And reflections on the nature of Potions class. - 25/10/2010 05:11:24 PM 1763 Views
It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1856 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1724 Views
Yes, exactly like baking - and advanced baking involves experimenting, substituting, improvising. - 25/10/2010 06:42:42 PM 1963 Views
But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1850 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1799 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1832 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1835 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1799 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1821 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 2094 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 1959 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 924 Views
Indeed - 26/10/2010 09:20:43 AM 1842 Views
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Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna - 27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM 1875 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1791 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1850 Views
Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 02:02:01 PM 1982 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 828 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1859 Views
Re: plot and writing. - 28/10/2010 05:07:03 AM 2006 Views
Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1872 Views
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Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1789 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 2012 Views
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It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 1918 Views
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Chapters 16-18: A Very Frosty Christmas, A Sluggish Memory, Birthday Surprises *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:40:39 PM 1030 Views
Characters: The Trio, Fleur, Scrimgeour, Percy, Remus, Slughorn,... *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:43:02 PM 1102 Views
Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 1996 Views
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Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 04/11/2010 04:03:02 AM 1826 Views
And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1827 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1790 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 1912 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 919 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1830 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1896 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 814 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 1160 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1716 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 917 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 2057 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 927 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 2115 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 1062 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 1883 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 1917 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 1948 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 939 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1848 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1901 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 1948 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1739 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1911 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 1913 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 936 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1737 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1576 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1778 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 945 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1835 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 2080 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1805 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 1062 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 892 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 1017 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1759 Views
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I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1906 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1897 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1865 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 2036 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 2166 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 911 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1887 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 2119 Views
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This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1934 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1877 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 2110 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2367 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1911 Views
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