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Re: *spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters Camilla Send a noteboard - 19/10/2010 11:48:45 AM
The Prime Minister: Do you imagine Tony Blair here?

Actually, I imagine Jim Hacker here. The immature gloating of the opponent, the indignant reactions about being saddled with the blame for things he couldn't help, it all fits so well. Now I just want to see Sir Humphrey explain to him what the Civil Service will do about Voldemort... and Bernard toss in a few inappropriate yet funny remarks.


Yes! That's it! I had a very fuzzy kind of image in my head, but that fits to a t.

Scrimgeour. I expected him, from this first scene, to be a good guy. He looks like a lion. I remember that description was one of the secret things you could find at Rowling's homepage just before the book came out, and I was convinced it had something to do with Godric Gryffindor. It does something weird to make him a not-so-good guy.

Yeah, I remember that description too. Definitely wasn't what I was expecting, either. Now that you mention it, I believe she also gave us a few chapter title's, including "Spinner's End" and chapter six, "Draco's Detour".


Hehe. Yes. I kind of miss that page.

Bellatrix. It is interesting that she contemplates the idea that Voldemort could be wrong. It is not a good scene for her. She comes out looking like a hysterical idiot. I realise, of course, that it is supposed to cover all the bases, to make it impossible to ask "how can Voldemort believe Snape is on his side" (or even "how can Snape be evil"), but it does not come out well for her character.

She's reaching for straws to justify her instinctive - and, of course, as we know, quite justified - distrust of Snape. I don't know if Rowling really intended to convince everyone for once and for all that Snape was evil with this scene... but it may well have worked on a lot of people. I don't really remember what I thought after first reading it, I only remember my reactions to that equally seminal final Snape scene in this book.


I know I wasn't convinced, but that my friend was gloating because she thought this finally proved her right (she gloated more at the end of this book, of course; but I am proud to say I remained unmoved).

And it's not as if there's much to salvage in Bellatrix' character. :P At least this chapter shows her as having an emotional attachment to her sister, even if that is the only person she cares about other than her demented crush on Voldemort.


True, but it detracts a little from her as a scary opponent. She becomes less intelligent. But I suppose the main power of her scariness is not in her intelligence but in her madness.

Wormtail. Why is he being punished? Because he only sought Voldemort out of despair? Or is there something else that I have already forgotten?

I don't know if it's punishment so much as having someone keep an eye on him. Though Snape is an odd choice considering that he has to leave for Hogwarts again.


True.

Snape. I wonder whether his making Wormtail's life horrible is related to either his connection to the Marauders or to the knowledge that he is the other person to blame for Lily's death.

Now that you mention it, probably.

He is great in this scene, though. His ready explanations, and his only slight hesitation before taking the unbreakable vow. I cannot remember whether he at this point knows that Dumbledore is dying and what Draco is going to do, or whether he is trying to figure it out still.

And the "but the gesture is undoubtedly fine" line is awesome. I imagine he knows, otherwise he wouldn't have assented so readily, surely... he mentions Dumbledore's blackened hand, so I assume that means he knows all about it.


Indeed.

Dumbledore. His way of treating the Dursleys makes me feel warm inside. The politeness which makes it clear how rude they are.

I don't know, in a way his bouncing glasses are just another form of Muggle-bullying. Perhaps not drinking something you're offered is rude, but how much ruder is bullying someone into drinking what you've offered them?


Hmm. If the mere presence of magic bullies those who do not have it, then yes. I am not sure bouncing glasses in themselves are a problem. Particularly since they would only have to take the glass to stop it. You are probably right, though. It is slightly problematic, except if you see it as some form of punishment for their treatment of Harry -- a punishment they are at any time free to end, but which they themselves are prolonging.

I like how he then switches to direct explanation of how bad they have been. It is refreshing. And I love the reference to the damage done to Dudley. He is right, of course.

Even though in the end Dudley will turn out alright, sort of.


Yes. I like that.
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I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. Legolas - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1670 Views
Very true. StormCrow - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1659 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. Legolas - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1628 Views
With my keen attention to detail, I somehow missed that. Another good catch! StormCrow - 15/11/2010 09:36:37 PM 1800 Views
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Re: Spoilers. Camilla - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 1915 Views
Anything else? *NM* Legolas - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 750 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday Camilla - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1643 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. Legolas - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 1838 Views
Re: I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. Camilla - 09/11/2010 02:58:56 PM 1540 Views
This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. StormCrow - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1663 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. Camilla - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1643 Views
Very true. StormCrow - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 1883 Views
Re: Very true. Camilla - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2115 Views
Agreed. StormCrow - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1651 Views
Re: Agreed. Camilla - 09/11/2010 04:58:59 PM 1754 Views
I just watched OotP again Saturday night... quite shocking there as well. Legolas - 15/11/2010 04:45:48 PM 1755 Views
Re: I just watched OotP again Saturday night... quite shocking there as well. Camilla - 15/11/2010 04:50:57 PM 1572 Views
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