The novel is very interested in inter-generational issues.
Tom Send a noteboard - 17/10/2010 05:28:29 PM
Bazarov is supposed to be immature and obnoxious because...well...he's a kid. Sure, the ages aren't maybe the same as today's "frustrated youth", but the whole concept of "teen angst" is pretty obvious.
There is an inter-generational conflict between children of the Thirties and children of the Fifties that mirrors the same conflict a century (and two decades) later. The older generation was an optimistic one that thought it could change things and had a sense of idealism, whereas the younger generation was disillusioned and discouraged (and often nihilist). The change that took place in Russia to disillusion people was the increasingly despotic reign of Nicholas I, which set Russia back immensely and ruined many of the quiet reforms of Catherine the Great and Alexander I. The Decembrists would die in Siberia, and people who spoke up on their behalf later (like Pushkin) were exiled and silenced, and censorship steadily increased.
Pavel Petrovich likes to still think of himself as a "rebel", but he often looks a bit silly, much like a 1960s ex-hippie who is still trying to "fight the system, man". Bazarov's nihilism seems to stem as much from his feeling of powerlessness (there is no way to fight the system in reality) as it does from his youth and desire to reject the older generation's value system.
I didn't see Bazarov's death as suicide. I saw it as him attempting to pretend to be a nihilist even though he no longer is to seem brave, when in fact he wants to live and love. It was a profoundly sad ending to the book, and I think I felt more sorry for Bazarov than for any Dostoevsky character who dies (maybe excepting Elena/Nelli from The Insulted and Humiliated), perhaps precisely BECAUSE I too hated him at the beginning.
There is an inter-generational conflict between children of the Thirties and children of the Fifties that mirrors the same conflict a century (and two decades) later. The older generation was an optimistic one that thought it could change things and had a sense of idealism, whereas the younger generation was disillusioned and discouraged (and often nihilist). The change that took place in Russia to disillusion people was the increasingly despotic reign of Nicholas I, which set Russia back immensely and ruined many of the quiet reforms of Catherine the Great and Alexander I. The Decembrists would die in Siberia, and people who spoke up on their behalf later (like Pushkin) were exiled and silenced, and censorship steadily increased.
Pavel Petrovich likes to still think of himself as a "rebel", but he often looks a bit silly, much like a 1960s ex-hippie who is still trying to "fight the system, man". Bazarov's nihilism seems to stem as much from his feeling of powerlessness (there is no way to fight the system in reality) as it does from his youth and desire to reject the older generation's value system.
I didn't see Bazarov's death as suicide. I saw it as him attempting to pretend to be a nihilist even though he no longer is to seem brave, when in fact he wants to live and love. It was a profoundly sad ending to the book, and I think I felt more sorry for Bazarov than for any Dostoevsky character who dies (maybe excepting Elena/Nelli from The Insulted and Humiliated), perhaps precisely BECAUSE I too hated him at the beginning.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
Russian Book Club: Fathers and Sons by Turgenev.
17/10/2010 01:39:16 AM
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Bazarov
17/10/2010 02:12:03 PM
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The novel is very interested in inter-generational issues.
17/10/2010 05:28:29 PM
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oh, and
17/10/2010 06:42:38 PM
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Re: oh, and
18/10/2010 12:09:10 AM
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Arkady
17/10/2010 02:15:54 PM
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Well, that makes sense
17/10/2010 05:12:09 PM
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Re: Well, that makes sense
18/10/2010 12:04:05 AM
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See, I liked Arkady
17/10/2010 06:08:57 PM
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Oh...Rebekah, I was going to mention that I saw your post only much later because I was very drunk.
17/10/2010 05:13:41 PM
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Good book.
17/10/2010 06:37:16 PM
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I loved it. Great book.
18/10/2010 10:49:27 PM
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I think it's very relevant. It's also unusually un-Russian.
18/10/2010 11:54:03 PM
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Yeah... the Russian nobility at the time seems to have been kind of un-Russian, really.
20/10/2010 04:03:34 PM
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It felt very Russian to me as well
20/10/2010 04:12:50 PM
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There was little of the usual ... histrionics that happen in Russian novels.
22/10/2010 07:02:12 PM
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I really wish I'd bought a properly annotated version.
22/10/2010 07:07:16 PM
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The answer to that is to just read a great book on Nineteenth Century Russian history.
22/10/2010 10:55:06 PM
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Not just Russian, though, there's a lot of mentions of other European history.
22/10/2010 11:19:28 PM
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Nikolai and Pavel - I love them.
22/10/2010 07:14:11 PM
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Perhaps it's Pavel's "The Chap"-ish nature that makes the novel seem less Russian to me.
22/10/2010 10:53:56 PM
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