Re: Ron, Neville, Harry, Hermione, McGonagall, Professor Tofty, Snape, Umbridge and the second trio.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 06/10/2010 09:30:18 PM
Ron: His bragging by the water. I like how it redeems James by showing it as an endearing trait rather than deep seated and unpleasant arrogance.
Yeah, and Harry mentions the similarity as if that was still necessary after Ron doing the thing with his hair.
Neville: I really, really, REALLY wish the trio would just tell Neville they admire his parents.
I'm not sure that's really the most helpful thing to say...
Hermione's description of him as having a thing for saving people is very apt. I don't remember whether that is something we have discussed. She is quite right: it has been building throughout the books (book 2: Ginny; book 3: Ron; book 4: everyone in the pond; book 5…). I wonder whether it is due to some trauma related to the loss of his parents.
As you say, it builds. In this case, no doubt Cedric plays a role somehow as well.
Hermione: I sympathise entirely with her bad temper during exams. Exams can do that. Especially when you are completely unable to evaluate your own work.
I was always the more relaxed kind of exam-taker, but I must admit in having been guilty on many occasions of Hermione's annoying discussion afterwards of every question. Not with the same vehemence, though.
I am also impressed with her manipulation of Umbridge later on.
I'm really not. I found it ridiculous, actually - the way Umbridge bought it, mainly. She IS an adult and qualified Ministry official after all, as she points out to Malfoy himself; you'd think she wouldn't be as naive and simplistic in her thinking as the teenagers, what with their "secret weapon" nonsense. And the way Hermione keeps her from bringing Malfoy and company is even more ridiculous. A low point of the book, that whole thing.
I'd like to know how Ron and the Second Trio got access to their wands and escaped Malfoy and company, too...
McGonagall: I like how she warns the students that while their results will reflect on Umbridge's rule, that is no reason not to do their best.
That was a great line, yeah.
I was so terrified she was dead after she was stunned the first time I read the book. There had been rumours that someone was going to die, and I was secretly hoping it would be Hagrid. In retrospect I wish it had been. At any rate, I like how she objects to the treatment of Hagrid at this point. I like that Rowling's good guys are not just "good", they act on it. They are not content to fight the good fight and tolerate whatever injustice might go on in the mean time. At least not always. I like how they may consider that the sensible way, and that they may caution Harry and tell him to not risk his neck, but that they themselves find that almost impossible to do.
It was rather unexpected indeed to have such an extreme reaction, though. No doubt McGonagall realized her intervention could have bad consequences for her, but surely she couldn't have expected what actually happened. I'm still kind of confused why that Ministry Auror - who iirc isn't evil or anything, and fights on the right side in later books - would join in such a criminal deed without any good reason - we don't even hear Umbridge order it or anything.
Snape: I like how he refuses to give Umbridge Veritaserum. I assume he did not give her the real thing last time as well … it could have incriminated him as well as the rest of the order. I am sure he actually does have Veritaserum, however. His reaction to Harry's information is also spot on. It is his job to not show on his face what he thinks.
I'm not so sure he didn't give her the real thing last time, but I guess we'll never know.
Love his comment to Goyle, too.
Umbridge: the defining moment of her character is of course when she decides to use the Cruciatus Curse. "What Cornelius does not know will not hurt him" indeed. And you can see the sadist in her tipping the scales.
Agreed. That scene - and the revelation of her earlier deed - takes her from being a bad guy (okay, gal) on a Hogwarts-level to the real Dark Side, so to speak.
The second trio: They show their true mettle. I love them. I think they have no idea what they are letting themselves in for. I think Ginny is partially spurred on by the memory of her famous siblings and their great exploits; I think Neville is doing it because of his parents; and I have no idea about Luna. Their argument that this is what the DA was for falls a little flat, as defending oneself against Voldemort is one thing, but actively seeking him out is quite another. But there is also a strong sense of doing the right thing. I like that the second trio consists of the less than conventionally heroic (although Ginny is only hampered by being a little sister, and not really hampered by that).
I think Luna's primary motivation is loneliness and the desire to feel accepted, but it's true it's hard to tell with her.
Harry's comment of how if he could pick three DA members, he'd have picked others is weird, too. Or rather, it's not weird so much as very wrong. We don't really know much about Luna's prowess except she can make a Patronus and does some mean Charms with those hats, but Neville has been depicted as very good, and Ginny's hexes have been praised by everyone for two books now. Perhaps getting the Twins instead would be better, but we don't actually know how good those are in combat, and same with the other older students. Harry has a long history of being unfair - inwardly, not in public - to Neville, and underestimates Ginny still because of her being Ron's little sister.
The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Five - The Order of the Phoenix
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Monday 13 September: chapters 1-3 - Dementors, owls and a daring rescue. *NM*
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New characters and characters old.
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Re: New characters and characters old.
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Going to try to be succinct here and not get into endless back-and-forths... we'll see.
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Re: Going to try to be succinct here and not get into endless back-and-forths... we'll see.
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News / Petunia / Snape / Tonks
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Having trouble with quotes?
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If you are having trouble with quotes, you can set it up so it always does the paragraphs thing.
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I know
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It wasn't you I was talking to.
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Then why did you reply to me?
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To subtly point out that if you were going to make that remark, you could also have given the tip.
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Thanks, that was driving me nuts and I had to actually get back to work...
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Re: Thanks, that was driving me nuts and I had to actually get back to work...
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You were just showing off with your reply weren't you? Segmenting the quotes like that.
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Re: You were just showing off with your reply weren't you? Segmenting the quotes like that.
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A question around that.
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Re: A question around that.
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Yeah, maybe my timing is off there. No biggie, in the grand scheme of things.
16/09/2010 07:07:33 PM
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After the end of OotP, it's widely known he's back.
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I think I remember now
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I was thinking there were some smaller attacks / break ins that got similar treatment here.
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Re: New characters and characters old.
14/09/2010 08:08:34 AM
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The Dursleys.
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise when you say it like that).
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Other stuff.
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two questions.
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Answers
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Surprisingly many hilarious little things for a book that's gonna be as dark as this one.
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That is why I love it so much.
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Re: That is why I love it so much.
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Re: That is why I love it so much.
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He's incredibly blind, our Harry.
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I don't find it annoying, really.
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Wednesday 15 September: chapters 4-6 *NM*
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Characters: still interesting? *NM*
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Yes
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You write your posts out in Word and then copypaste them? Why?
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No. I don't even have Word.
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Sirius and Sirius' mother.
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Plot: how's that coming along? *NM*
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tragically?
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Re: tragically?
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Re: tragically?
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Yes. And the one who will get the fantastic line at the end of the book. *NM*
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I have forgotten that
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Well, it may not be that fantastic, but it's pretty amusing.
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Oh I thought you were talking about the one where he tells the Minister
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Re: tragically?
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Other things: ? *NM*
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Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Re: Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Re: Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Friday 17 September: The Ministry of Magic, Harry's Hearing, and that thing with Mrs Weasley
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The plot thickens.
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A few thoughts
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Re: A few thoughts
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Re: A few thoughts
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Lots of things happening in here that come back up in future books
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Re: Lots of things happening in here that comes back up in future books
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Timing messed up again.
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Re: Timing messed up again.
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Well...
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Re: Well...
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It's like those old chip commercials. It's hard to just read one.
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Character development.
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Mrs. Weasley
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Agree here, but I can understand why she's cracking up a bit.
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Don't know if you noticed it, but the death of her brothers is actually mentioned here.
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That's a good catch. I remember reading it, but don't think I connected it back to the Weasleys.
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I don't know how I missed it.
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I believe we never get her maiden name in the series itself - it's from some family tree or the like
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Are you sure?
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No. I could be wrong. But I wouldn't know where to look for it, if so.
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According to the HP Wiki at Wikia, there should be a more explicit mention of it in book seven. *NM*
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Mr. Weasley
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He is lovely.
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His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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Re: His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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Re: His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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It's cheesy. *NM*
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Yeah, kind of cheesy, but I still enjoyed it. Should we table this for the DH reread? *NM*
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Other things of note.
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Monday 20 September: chapters 10-12 ~ Back to school *NM*
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Characters: Luna, Umbridge and the Sorting Hat *NM*
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Draco, Ginny, Luna, Neville, Harry, Umbridge and McGonnagall
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I think McGonagall kind of fails there.
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Re: I think McGonagall kind of fails there.
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Maybe she doesn't realize all that, but really, how much effort does it take to be clear?
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Re: Maybe she doesn't realize all that, but really, how much effort does it take to be clear?
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Oh, I think it is.
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Weasley goodness.
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Plot: things you've noticed. *NM*
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Not much in these chapters
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Oh, there's more than that.
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I remembered now: Barty Crouch Junior.
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I did not get that from the passage
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Hmm.
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Re: Hmm.
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Oh yes: Assyria is a wizarding country.
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Yes
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Because that's the only modern meaning of "Assyrian".
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Re: Because that's the only modern meaning of "Assyrian".
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Who knows?
Don't think we've seen much discussion of religion in the wizarding world. *NM*
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On their broomsticks, obviously
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In that part of the world I understand they use flying carpets, actually.
*NM*
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Wasn't there a mention of someone trying to smuggle flying carpets into England?
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Anything else? *NM*
20/09/2010 08:05:33 AM
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Thestrals & Hufflepuff
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Wednesday 22 September: chapters 13-15 ~ School gets interesting.
13/09/2010 09:27:09 PM
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Character development: how are our three main characters getting along?
22/09/2010 12:43:53 PM
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Dumbledore, Umbridge, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Harry, Percy ad McGonnagall.
22/09/2010 12:49:12 PM
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Some interesting developments, I thought.
22/09/2010 01:57:42 PM
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Re: Some interesting developments, I thought. Edited
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Dumbledore, this really bugs me
23/09/2010 03:39:28 AM
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Plot progression, and continuing themes.
22/09/2010 12:44:34 PM
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Action and reaction
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Re: Action and reaction
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Any other comments?
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Friday 24 September: chapters 16-18 ~ Dumbledore's Army
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Le plot.
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Reaction -- the forming of the DA
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Anything else?
24/09/2010 05:07:10 PM
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Monday 27 September: chapters 19-21 ~ Quidditch, Hagrid and thestrals.
13/09/2010 09:28:27 PM
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Les Characters
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Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry
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Plot - are we happy with what's happening?
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Definitely some things of note!
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Re: Definitely some things of note!
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Any other thoughts?
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Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants
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Wednesday 29 September: chapters 22-24
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Characters and characterisation *NM*
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High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Plotting and plot continuity *NM*
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Other things of note. *NM*
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Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's.
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Hermione is apparently smarter than J.K. Rowling. Or maybe just Harry. Hard to tell.
30/09/2010 03:47:22 AM
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The fact that she has Hermione use the right term points to a subtle distinction.
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Friday 1 October: chapters 25-27 - Sorry I'm late.
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The characters: development, actions, etc. *NM*
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Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore
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Plot/action: getting exciting? *NM*
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Beginning of the end
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Re: Beginning of the end
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Other things. *NM*
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The way reactions are given, and an observation about occlumency.
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The least important of your points...
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Monday 4 October: chapters 28-30 - bad memories, dramatic exits, and large brothers.
13/09/2010 09:32:03 PM
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Characters: James, Sirius, Lily, Snape, Umbridge, Fred, George, Hagrid, Grawp
04/10/2010 06:31:44 PM
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The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall.
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Plotting and themes.
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family and bigotry
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Anything else?
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portaits
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Wednesday 6 October: chapters 31-33 - OWLs, fights and other such hijinks.
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Characters - so many to deal with.
06/10/2010 08:13:36 PM
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Ron, Neville, Harry, Hermione, McGonagall, Professor Tofty, Snape, Umbridge and the second trio.
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Plot! Theme and Action!
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The trap is set
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Friday 8 October: chapters 34-36 - The big fight and the big farewell.
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Characters: Death Eaters, Order of the Phoenix, and the children.
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Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin
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Action. And more action.
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I'm wondering what would have happened...
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Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn)
11/10/2010 12:51:06 AM
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Re: Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn)
12/10/2010 02:48:53 AM
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Monday 11 October: chapters 37-38 ~ The end of innocence?
13/09/2010 09:35:14 PM
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How are our characters left?
11/10/2010 05:25:39 PM
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Phineas, Dumbledore, Voldemort, Fudge, McGonagall, Harry, Ron and Moody
11/10/2010 11:50:16 PM
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Any other thoughts?
11/10/2010 05:27:17 PM
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General comments.
13/09/2010 09:36:13 PM
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Suggestions for the re-read.
13/09/2010 09:36:56 PM
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Your links don't work
14/09/2010 10:37:32 AM
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Fixed. *NM*
14/09/2010 10:46:08 AM
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And fixed the links in the other ones, too - don't bother searching for new posts, there aren't any. *NM*
14/09/2010 06:35:37 PM
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Do we need to have another break?
27/09/2010 08:00:04 AM
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But now I want to keep reading them. </whine>
29/09/2010 04:02:57 AM
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Will probably just have a little break - i.e. wait till the following Monday to start.
03/10/2010 09:48:52 AM
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Re: Will probably just have a little break - i.e. wait till the following Monday to start.
06/10/2010 12:01:09 AM
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