Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 05/10/2010 11:09:16 PM
Twins: I think the moment they decided that they would no longer care about getting into trouble is the moment I realised this would be one of my favourite books of the series. I love the havoc they wreak. And how they set the stage for the teachers' banding together. And then when they finally decide to leave … the conversation they hold between themselves. It is adorable. And then the final moment of advertisement (and the excellent discount idea) -- and Peeves' salute. It all has me giggling like a madwoman. It makes me happy. It is the perfect counterpoint to the horror and Evil that is Umbridge. Once again, breaking the rules entirely is the only way out of her world.
It is indeed one of the most memorable scenes of the entire series.
Cho: I feel it is saying something that when Cho and Harry argue, I am on Harry's side. She really is quite astonishingly dim and irrational at times. I am glad Harry switches her in for a more sensible girl.
I disagree. As I've said before - and you agreed at the time - Cho seems like a cool girl who gets the short end of the stick from Rowling because of that awkward fling with Harry. All of her reactions make ample sense from her PoV, though - it's just the circumstances are so difficult that it was never really going to work.
Snape: Harry interprets him as the weak victim of strong bullies in the memory. I think that is a mistake. And not just because of the ``Harry is always wrong'' rule. First of all, we are given this out of context. It is one memory, which does not provide us with the story of earlier encounters. I feel fairly certain that there is a varied pattern there. I don't think they are picking on him because he is weak; quite the contrary, I think they are doing what the twins did to Dudley in an earlier book (although as I see it in a less problematic way): they are picking on him for being part of a group which picks on the weak -- for being associated with the dark arts. The particular comments may not be related to that, but they are the superstructure, not the motivation.
I think you're still biased by your fan-fic. Bullying is bullying, whatever excuses they offer for them. And as Harry notes, they start to bully him because they feel bored, not for any other reason. Of course Lupin and Sirius are right that it doesn't mean they are bad people, and it certainly doesn't mean Snape is an innocent victim, but it is what it is, and it isn't pretty, alright.
The fact that Snape attacks James when his back is turned backs this up and serves as direct provocation for the more humiliating retaliation. Sirius' impedimenta spell merely held him down; Snape draws blood (to be fair, he is probably also spurred on by the proximity of Lily). His reaction to Lily's help (calling her a mudblood) is also somewhat explained by his embarrassment at this point, but it still speaks volumes about what he considers acceptable.
I'm not really happy with that part of the scene, in the light of the later revelations. Snape's calling her a mudblood strains credulity as it is, but it's Lily's reaction that is the most baffling. Is she really that much of a sphinx that she doesn't show the slightest sign of feeling hurt other than blinking, and merely insults him right back - borrowing James' insult, too?
James: He is a little full of himself, and clearly approaching Lily in entirely the wrong way, but I don't think his comment to Lily that his motivation for mistreating Snape is merely ``because he exists'' is something to be taken at face value. I stick to my reading as I explained it above. James is arrogant, but he is not bad.
What is "bad"? Most bullies aren't "bad" in the sense you seem to mean it, and bully more out of boredom or to impress their friends than out of any real malice or cruelty. James is as "bad" as, say, Draco Malfoy. Fortunately, they both grow up.
His comment that he wishes it were the full moon is more problematic, in a way, considering how horrible that is for Lupin. But it serves to establish him even more as someone who lives for daring adventures and danger. Possibly because everything is too easy -- he is not the least worried about his exams.
Yeah. That attitude must've made his time in Azkaban all the harsher in contrast.
Wormtail: He is showing all the traits we have come to expect, being weak and sycophantic. It is perhaps a little too exaggerated -- it makes it less likely that James would trust his life to him.
Agreed.
Lily: She is cool. I like both her standing up for Snape and her ultimate rejection of him.
As I said above, I find her reaction strange. I suppose we never really see enough of her to know her character, know whether she is indeed capable of perfectly concealing the hurt feelings she must have. Or perhaps it's just plot convenience here - if she had displayed a more logical reaction in the light of the later revelations, those revelations wouldn't have been as surprising.
Harry: I like how he takes Snape's side in the memory. Especially as I don't. It is a side to his character that … I suppose it is what makes him the hero -- especially in Rowling's universe. It is interesting that he thinks that it would be acceptable to do it to Malfoy.
I think it has a lot to do with how the Marauders are still seeing everything as a lark and have had little reason to take things seriously, whereas Snape, like Harry, is more mature that way, forced by the circumstances. Most children do indeed do stupid things at fifteen that they are later ashamed of; Harry has been forced to be more mature, and has a hard time understanding such immaturity.
I am a little annoyed that he does not think of the mirror when he is so desperate to talk to Sirius. Yes, I know I said it was part of a beautifully structured plot, but on the level of character it is a little unsatisfying.
He doesn't know about the mirror. The only thing he knows is Sirius' vague description of it, but he's immediately decided not to use it and so quite naturally doesn't remember it when thinking of ways to contact Sirius.
His whole expedition really is problematic. As Hermione points out, Dumbledore's sacrifice would be in vain if he got caught. And he shows that he is aware that it would reflect very badly on McGonagall. Not to mention that this is not vital stuff. The only possible upshot will be to ease his mind. It is on par with running around risking his life in book 3 (before we knew Sirius was a good guy).
Agreed. I don't remember now whether his getting caught the next time has to do with having left traces this time, but it might be, so that makes it even worse.
The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Five - The Order of the Phoenix
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Monday 13 September: chapters 1-3 - Dementors, owls and a daring rescue. *NM*
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New characters and characters old.
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Re: New characters and characters old.
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Going to try to be succinct here and not get into endless back-and-forths... we'll see.
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Re: Going to try to be succinct here and not get into endless back-and-forths... we'll see.
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News / Petunia / Snape / Tonks
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Having trouble with quotes?
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If you are having trouble with quotes, you can set it up so it always does the paragraphs thing.
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I know *NM*
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It wasn't you I was talking to. *NM*
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Then why did you reply to me?
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To subtly point out that if you were going to make that remark, you could also have given the tip.
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Thanks, that was driving me nuts and I had to actually get back to work...
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Re: Thanks, that was driving me nuts and I had to actually get back to work...
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You were just showing off with your reply weren't you? Segmenting the quotes like that.
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Re: You were just showing off with your reply weren't you? Segmenting the quotes like that.
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A question around that.
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Re: A question around that.
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Yeah, maybe my timing is off there. No biggie, in the grand scheme of things.
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After the end of OotP, it's widely known he's back.
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I think I remember now
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I was thinking there were some smaller attacks / break ins that got similar treatment here.
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Re: New characters and characters old.
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The Dursleys.
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise when you say it like that).
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Other stuff.
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two questions.
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Answers
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Surprisingly many hilarious little things for a book that's gonna be as dark as this one.
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That is why I love it so much.
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Re: That is why I love it so much.
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Re: That is why I love it so much.
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He's incredibly blind, our Harry.
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I don't find it annoying, really.
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Wednesday 15 September: chapters 4-6 *NM*
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Characters: still interesting? *NM*
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Yes
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You write your posts out in Word and then copypaste them? Why?
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No. I don't even have Word.
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Sirius and Sirius' mother.
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Plot: how's that coming along? *NM*
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tragically?
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Re: tragically?
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Re: tragically?
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Yes. And the one who will get the fantastic line at the end of the book. *NM*
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I have forgotten that
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Well, it may not be that fantastic, but it's pretty amusing.
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Oh I thought you were talking about the one where he tells the Minister
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Re: tragically?
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Other things: ? *NM*
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Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Re: Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Re: Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Friday 17 September: The Ministry of Magic, Harry's Hearing, and that thing with Mrs Weasley
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The plot thickens.
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A few thoughts
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Re: A few thoughts
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Re: A few thoughts
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Lots of things happening in here that come back up in future books
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Re: Lots of things happening in here that comes back up in future books
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Timing messed up again.
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Re: Timing messed up again.
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Well...
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Re: Well...
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It's like those old chip commercials. It's hard to just read one.
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Character development.
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Mrs. Weasley
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Agree here, but I can understand why she's cracking up a bit.
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Don't know if you noticed it, but the death of her brothers is actually mentioned here.
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That's a good catch. I remember reading it, but don't think I connected it back to the Weasleys.
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I don't know how I missed it.
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I believe we never get her maiden name in the series itself - it's from some family tree or the like
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Are you sure?
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No. I could be wrong. But I wouldn't know where to look for it, if so.
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According to the HP Wiki at Wikia, there should be a more explicit mention of it in book seven. *NM*
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Mr. Weasley
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He is lovely.
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His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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Re: His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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It's cheesy. *NM*
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Yeah, kind of cheesy, but I still enjoyed it. Should we table this for the DH reread? *NM*
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Other things of note.
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Monday 20 September: chapters 10-12 ~ Back to school *NM*
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Characters: Luna, Umbridge and the Sorting Hat *NM*
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Draco, Ginny, Luna, Neville, Harry, Umbridge and McGonnagall
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I think McGonagall kind of fails there.
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Re: I think McGonagall kind of fails there.
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Maybe she doesn't realize all that, but really, how much effort does it take to be clear?
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Re: Maybe she doesn't realize all that, but really, how much effort does it take to be clear?
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Oh, I think it is.
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Weasley goodness.
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Plot: things you've noticed. *NM*
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Not much in these chapters
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Oh, there's more than that.
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I remembered now: Barty Crouch Junior.
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I did not get that from the passage
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Hmm.
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Re: Hmm.
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Oh yes: Assyria is a wizarding country.
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Yes
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Because that's the only modern meaning of "Assyrian".
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Who knows? Don't think we've seen much discussion of religion in the wizarding world. *NM*
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On their broomsticks, obviously *NM*
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In that part of the world I understand they use flying carpets, actually. *NM*
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Wasn't there a mention of someone trying to smuggle flying carpets into England?
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Anything else? *NM*
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Thestrals & Hufflepuff
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Wednesday 22 September: chapters 13-15 ~ School gets interesting.
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Character development: how are our three main characters getting along?
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Dumbledore, Umbridge, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Harry, Percy ad McGonnagall.
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Some interesting developments, I thought.
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Re: Some interesting developments, I thought. Edited
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Dumbledore, this really bugs me
23/09/2010 03:39:28 AM
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Plot progression, and continuing themes.
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Action and reaction
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Any other comments?
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Friday 24 September: chapters 16-18 ~ Dumbledore's Army
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Le plot.
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Reaction -- the forming of the DA
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Anything else?
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Monday 27 September: chapters 19-21 ~ Quidditch, Hagrid and thestrals.
13/09/2010 09:28:27 PM
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Les Characters
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Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry
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Plot - are we happy with what's happening?
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Definitely some things of note!
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Any other thoughts?
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Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants
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Wednesday 29 September: chapters 22-24
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Characters and characterisation *NM*
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High emotions.
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Plotting and plot continuity *NM*
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Other things of note. *NM*
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Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's.
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Hermione is apparently smarter than J.K. Rowling. Or maybe just Harry. Hard to tell.
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The fact that she has Hermione use the right term points to a subtle distinction.
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Friday 1 October: chapters 25-27 - Sorry I'm late.
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The characters: development, actions, etc. *NM*
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Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore
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Plot/action: getting exciting? *NM*
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Beginning of the end
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Other things. *NM*
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The way reactions are given, and an observation about occlumency.
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The least important of your points...
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Monday 4 October: chapters 28-30 - bad memories, dramatic exits, and large brothers.
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Characters: James, Sirius, Lily, Snape, Umbridge, Fred, George, Hagrid, Grawp
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Plotting and themes.
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family and bigotry
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Anything else?
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portaits
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Wednesday 6 October: chapters 31-33 - OWLs, fights and other such hijinks.
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Characters - so many to deal with.
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Ron, Neville, Harry, Hermione, McGonagall, Professor Tofty, Snape, Umbridge and the second trio.
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Plot! Theme and Action!
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The trap is set
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Friday 8 October: chapters 34-36 - The big fight and the big farewell.
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Characters: Death Eaters, Order of the Phoenix, and the children.
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Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin
09/10/2010 10:23:24 AM
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Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin
10/10/2010 03:40:46 AM
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Action. And more action.
08/10/2010 11:20:49 AM
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I'm wondering what would have happened...
09/10/2010 01:14:58 AM
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Re: I'm wondering what would have happened...
09/10/2010 10:16:25 AM
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Re: I'm wondering what would have happened...
10/10/2010 03:22:18 AM
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Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn)
11/10/2010 12:51:06 AM
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Re: Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn)
12/10/2010 02:48:53 AM
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Monday 11 October: chapters 37-38 ~ The end of innocence?
13/09/2010 09:35:14 PM
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How are our characters left?
11/10/2010 05:25:39 PM
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Phineas, Dumbledore, Voldemort, Fudge, McGonagall, Harry, Ron and Moody
11/10/2010 11:50:16 PM
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Any other thoughts?
11/10/2010 05:27:17 PM
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General comments.
13/09/2010 09:36:13 PM
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Suggestions for the re-read.
13/09/2010 09:36:56 PM
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Your links don't work
14/09/2010 10:37:32 AM
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Fixed. *NM*
14/09/2010 10:46:08 AM
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And fixed the links in the other ones, too - don't bother searching for new posts, there aren't any. *NM*
14/09/2010 06:35:37 PM
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Do we need to have another break?
27/09/2010 08:00:04 AM
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But now I want to keep reading them. </whine>
29/09/2010 04:02:57 AM
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Will probably just have a little break - i.e. wait till the following Monday to start.
03/10/2010 09:48:52 AM
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Re: Will probably just have a little break - i.e. wait till the following Monday to start.
06/10/2010 12:01:09 AM
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