Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore
Camilla Send a noteboard - 05/10/2010 10:50:27 PM
Fudge: I cannot help wondering whether he is still in denial. I mean, officially he is denying everything and pinning it on Sirius, but he must have noticed that Dumbledore's predictions are coming through?
He is. Wilfully blind, I believe the term is. Which is why Voldemort is so keen on remaining in the shadows and profiting from Fudge's refusal to see the writing on the wall. The way Fudge actually believes that Dumbledore is creating an army against him, though... he really must have cracked.
Indeed.
Harry: Are teenage boys really that clueless? I feel I should be protesting an unfair stereotype, but then I realised I don't know whether it is accurate or not.
They most certainly are, and if you're going to be fair you have to ask if teenage girls really employ such incredibly stupid and counterproductive tactics. Which I'm afraid they do as well.
I am sure I wasn't anything like that!
Umbridge: She really does believe Harry is lying, doesn't she? I mean, I keep forgetting that. But the doubleness of the "the message is not sinking in" comment brought it back to me. Not that it makes her much less of an evil bitch, but...
I think Umbridge is very good at not asking herself questions she doesn't want to know the answers to. She's pretty much the personification of the Nazi bureaucrat to Voldemort's Hitler (well, that's a bit of a stretch at this point, but not so in book seven).
Very true.
The teachers: I think this is what I love the most about this book. The conspiratorial side to the teachers. Here exemplified by the showering Harry in points and candy after the interview. It makes me happy when the teachers band together with the students against a common enemy. Especially when that enemy is Umbridge. Especially Trelawny's prediction that Harry would not die. I love it (incidentally, her final prediction is also a true one -- with the possible exception for the exact number of children).
I love how random Flitwick's way of doing it is. He's always kind of off-beat that way.
Very true.
His reactions really point to him wanting Harry to learn. The fact that he gets the most angry from proof that the link to Voldemort is as strong as ever ...
You have to wonder if part of it isn't that he's jealously guarding his own task. Spying on Voldemort and keeping the Order informed is his reason for living, his way of redeeming himself for Lily's death. It would be logical for him to be annoyed at potential "competition" in that regard, any hint that his crucial role might not be so crucial after all. See also the way he says "Indeed Potter, that's my job".
Good point. I hadn't thought of that.
Dumbledore: I love how he handles Umbridge's dismissal of Trelawny. It is the trial all over again. He knows how to deal with bureaucrats. Their power lies in adherence to rules, and by knowing the rules better than them, and by seeing the loopholes, he is able to make the situation worse (from Umbridge's point of view), while making it better for his students. Of course, this runs the risk of having her retaliate, but as the alternative is to lie down and die, I love him for it.
As I read that, it occurred to me that Dumbledore's motives here are not merely being nice to Trelawney. She offers to leave at one point, and he tells her "sharply" to stay. It's not safe out there for the woman who Saw the prophecy, and who can say what Voldemort might get out of her if he can get his hands on her - not that he knows he has to have her yet, but he might find out. Dumbledore wants Trelawney where he can keep an eye on her - that's the reason why she ever got the job in the first place, and it's the reason why she has to stay at Hogwarts now.
Oooh, another good point that completely escaped me. I agree. Although, I don't think she remembers the prophecy at all, so she couldn't actually tell anyone. Could she lift the prophecy from the shelf?
There is of course also the possibility that she could Prophecy again.
I also love (no, I don't think "love" is too strong a word) how he handles the scene in his office. Telling Harry to lie outright and tricking and plotting -- it is beautiful. I like this ability to see the need for cheating. And how he does not hesitate to sacrifice himself in order to keep Harry in school, and how he dismisses the idea of being sent to Azkaban. The complete rejection of following the rules. Lovely, lovely, lovely.
It was fairly awesome, yeah. His finest hour, really - the most obvious display anywhere in the books of his magical superiority to just about everyone else, and the last time he'll be depicted as nearly omniscient and omnipotent, before his re-humanizing in books six and seven. On second thought, penultimate time - there's the showdown at the end of this book, too.
True. It is interesting that after having been told time and time again by Hermione (and Snape) that you cannot possibly under any circumstances apparate or disapparate in or out of Hogwarts because it is impossible and why can't we remember that, Dumbledore does precisely that. Or, probably not precisely that, but something very reminiscent of it. Again with the omnipotence, as you quite correctly remarked.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Five - The Order of the Phoenix
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Monday 13 September: chapters 1-3 - Dementors, owls and a daring rescue. *NM*
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New characters and characters old.
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Re: New characters and characters old.
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Going to try to be succinct here and not get into endless back-and-forths... we'll see.
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Re: Going to try to be succinct here and not get into endless back-and-forths... we'll see.
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News / Petunia / Snape / Tonks
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Having trouble with quotes?
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If you are having trouble with quotes, you can set it up so it always does the paragraphs thing.
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I know *NM*
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It wasn't you I was talking to. *NM*
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Then why did you reply to me?
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To subtly point out that if you were going to make that remark, you could also have given the tip.
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Thanks, that was driving me nuts and I had to actually get back to work...
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Re: Thanks, that was driving me nuts and I had to actually get back to work...
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You were just showing off with your reply weren't you? Segmenting the quotes like that.
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Re: You were just showing off with your reply weren't you? Segmenting the quotes like that.
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A question around that.
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Re: A question around that.
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Yeah, maybe my timing is off there. No biggie, in the grand scheme of things.
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After the end of OotP, it's widely known he's back.
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I think I remember now
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I was thinking there were some smaller attacks / break ins that got similar treatment here.
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Re: New characters and characters old.
14/09/2010 08:08:34 AM
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The Dursleys.
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise when you say it like that).
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Other stuff.
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two questions.
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Answers
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Surprisingly many hilarious little things for a book that's gonna be as dark as this one.
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That is why I love it so much.
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Re: That is why I love it so much.
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Re: That is why I love it so much.
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He's incredibly blind, our Harry.
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I don't find it annoying, really.
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Wednesday 15 September: chapters 4-6 *NM*
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Characters: still interesting? *NM*
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Yes
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You write your posts out in Word and then copypaste them? Why?
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No. I don't even have Word.
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Sirius and Sirius' mother.
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Plot: how's that coming along? *NM*
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tragically?
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Re: tragically?
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Re: tragically?
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Yes. And the one who will get the fantastic line at the end of the book. *NM*
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I have forgotten that
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Well, it may not be that fantastic, but it's pretty amusing.
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Oh I thought you were talking about the one where he tells the Minister
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Re: tragically?
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Other things: ? *NM*
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Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Re: Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Re: Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Friday 17 September: The Ministry of Magic, Harry's Hearing, and that thing with Mrs Weasley
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The plot thickens.
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A few thoughts
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Re: A few thoughts
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Re: A few thoughts
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Lots of things happening in here that come back up in future books
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Re: Lots of things happening in here that comes back up in future books
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Timing messed up again.
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Re: Timing messed up again.
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Well...
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Re: Well...
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It's like those old chip commercials. It's hard to just read one.
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Character development.
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Mrs. Weasley
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Agree here, but I can understand why she's cracking up a bit.
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Don't know if you noticed it, but the death of her brothers is actually mentioned here.
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That's a good catch. I remember reading it, but don't think I connected it back to the Weasleys.
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I don't know how I missed it.
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I believe we never get her maiden name in the series itself - it's from some family tree or the like
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Are you sure?
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No. I could be wrong. But I wouldn't know where to look for it, if so.
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According to the HP Wiki at Wikia, there should be a more explicit mention of it in book seven. *NM*
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Mr. Weasley
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He is lovely.
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His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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Re: His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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Re: His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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It's cheesy. *NM*
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Yeah, kind of cheesy, but I still enjoyed it. Should we table this for the DH reread? *NM*
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Other things of note.
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Monday 20 September: chapters 10-12 ~ Back to school *NM*
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Characters: Luna, Umbridge and the Sorting Hat *NM*
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Draco, Ginny, Luna, Neville, Harry, Umbridge and McGonnagall
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I think McGonagall kind of fails there.
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Re: I think McGonagall kind of fails there.
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Maybe she doesn't realize all that, but really, how much effort does it take to be clear?
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Re: Maybe she doesn't realize all that, but really, how much effort does it take to be clear?
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Oh, I think it is.
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Weasley goodness.
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Plot: things you've noticed. *NM*
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Not much in these chapters
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Oh, there's more than that.
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I remembered now: Barty Crouch Junior.
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I did not get that from the passage
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Hmm.
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Re: Hmm.
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Oh yes: Assyria is a wizarding country.
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Yes
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Because that's the only modern meaning of "Assyrian".
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Re: Because that's the only modern meaning of "Assyrian".
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Who knows? Don't think we've seen much discussion of religion in the wizarding world. *NM*
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On their broomsticks, obviously *NM*
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In that part of the world I understand they use flying carpets, actually. *NM*
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Wasn't there a mention of someone trying to smuggle flying carpets into England?
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Anything else? *NM*
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Thestrals & Hufflepuff
20/09/2010 03:50:34 PM
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Wednesday 22 September: chapters 13-15 ~ School gets interesting.
13/09/2010 09:27:09 PM
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Character development: how are our three main characters getting along?
22/09/2010 12:43:53 PM
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Dumbledore, Umbridge, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Harry, Percy ad McGonnagall.
22/09/2010 12:49:12 PM
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Some interesting developments, I thought.
22/09/2010 01:57:42 PM
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Re: Some interesting developments, I thought. Edited
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Dumbledore, this really bugs me
23/09/2010 03:39:28 AM
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Plot progression, and continuing themes.
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Action and reaction
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Re: Action and reaction
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Any other comments?
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Friday 24 September: chapters 16-18 ~ Dumbledore's Army
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Le plot.
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Reaction -- the forming of the DA
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27/09/2010 03:59:33 PM
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Anything else?
24/09/2010 05:07:10 PM
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Monday 27 September: chapters 19-21 ~ Quidditch, Hagrid and thestrals.
13/09/2010 09:28:27 PM
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Les Characters
27/09/2010 07:57:17 AM
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Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry
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Re: Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry
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Re: Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry
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Plot - are we happy with what's happening?
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Definitely some things of note!
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Re: Definitely some things of note!
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Any other thoughts?
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Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants
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Wednesday 29 September: chapters 22-24
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Characters and characterisation *NM*
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High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Plotting and plot continuity *NM*
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Other things of note. *NM*
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Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's.
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30/09/2010 03:42:21 AM
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Hermione is apparently smarter than J.K. Rowling. Or maybe just Harry. Hard to tell.
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The fact that she has Hermione use the right term points to a subtle distinction.
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Friday 1 October: chapters 25-27 - Sorry I'm late.
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The characters: development, actions, etc. *NM*
02/10/2010 11:25:09 AM
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Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore
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Plot/action: getting exciting? *NM*
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Beginning of the end
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Other things. *NM*
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The way reactions are given, and an observation about occlumency.
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The least important of your points...
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Monday 4 October: chapters 28-30 - bad memories, dramatic exits, and large brothers.
13/09/2010 09:32:03 PM
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Characters: James, Sirius, Lily, Snape, Umbridge, Fred, George, Hagrid, Grawp
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The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall.
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Plotting and themes.
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family and bigotry
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Anything else?
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portaits
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Wednesday 6 October: chapters 31-33 - OWLs, fights and other such hijinks.
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Characters - so many to deal with.
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Ron, Neville, Harry, Hermione, McGonagall, Professor Tofty, Snape, Umbridge and the second trio.
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Plot! Theme and Action!
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The trap is set
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Friday 8 October: chapters 34-36 - The big fight and the big farewell.
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Characters: Death Eaters, Order of the Phoenix, and the children.
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Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin
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Action. And more action.
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I'm wondering what would have happened...
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Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn)
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Monday 11 October: chapters 37-38 ~ The end of innocence?
13/09/2010 09:35:14 PM
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How are our characters left?
11/10/2010 05:25:39 PM
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Phineas, Dumbledore, Voldemort, Fudge, McGonagall, Harry, Ron and Moody
11/10/2010 11:50:16 PM
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Any other thoughts?
11/10/2010 05:27:17 PM
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General comments.
13/09/2010 09:36:13 PM
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Suggestions for the re-read.
13/09/2010 09:36:56 PM
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Your links don't work
14/09/2010 10:37:32 AM
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Fixed. *NM*
14/09/2010 10:46:08 AM
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And fixed the links in the other ones, too - don't bother searching for new posts, there aren't any. *NM*
14/09/2010 06:35:37 PM
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Do we need to have another break?
27/09/2010 08:00:04 AM
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But now I want to keep reading them. </whine>
29/09/2010 04:02:57 AM
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Will probably just have a little break - i.e. wait till the following Monday to start.
03/10/2010 09:48:52 AM
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Re: Will probably just have a little break - i.e. wait till the following Monday to start.
06/10/2010 12:01:09 AM
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