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Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. Seriana Sedai Send a noteboard - 05/10/2010 03:56:50 PM
The fact that Snape attacks James when his back is turned backs this up and serves as direct provocation for the more humiliating retaliation. Sirius' impedimenta spell merely held him down; Snape draws blood (to be fair, he is probably also spurred on by the proximity of Lily). His reaction to Lily's help (calling her a mudblood) is also somewhat explained by his embarrassment at this point, but it still speaks volumes about what he considers acceptable.

Yes. I wonder whether it is the mudblood comment that makes this Snape's worst memory, or whether it is the being dangled upside down.

My vote is for the mudblood comment, hands down. Snape has been treated poorly his whole life so while being dangled must have been unpleasant and undesirable that moment of speaking in anger and embarrassment cost him Lily. I don't know if she ever had romantic feelings for him like he did for her, but she was clearly a loyal and devoted friend. She didn't agree with some of his other friends, but she was still always there for him until this moment.

I don't know that I'll ever understand Snape calling Lily mudblood there. I know he is embarrassed, but she is the love of his life. He doesn't really see her as muggle-born from what I've read, so his comment here makes no sense for me except in the bigger picture that he had to do something unforgivable to lose Lily's loyalty.

People do stupid things. People in love do especially stupid things. I don't see it as unrealistic. Keep in mind they are teenagers.

I guess you're right. It didn't bother me here the first time I read the book, but once Harry sees the scene in context of Snape's feeling for Lily I had a huge WTF moment.

James: He is a little full of himself, and clearly approaching Lily in entirely the wrong way, but I don't think his comment to Lily that his motivation for mistreating Snape is merely ``because he exists'' is something to be taken at face value. I stick to my reading as I explained it above. James is arrogant, but he is not bad.

He is arrogant, and here I'm sure he is at his worst. I do like how Harry doesn't try to rationalize what James did and instead sides with Snape. I don't agree with his perception, but I do like how Harry is able to admit that maybe James wasn't as perfect as he had built him up to be.

I agree.

Sirius: I like that everything he does is done in a dashing way. His comment about Wormtail wetting himself with excitement is cutting, but at this time Harry (who is our resident standard of morality) has been annoyed for a while and thinking that James should ``tell Wormtail to get a grip on himself''.

His comment that he wishes it were the full moon is more problematic, in a way, considering how horrible that is for Lupin. But it serves to establish him even more as someone who lives for daring adventures and danger. Possibly because everything is too easy -- he is not the least worried about his exams.

He is a little dismissive of what must be painful for Lupin to think about or discuss, and while I don't like that particular part, I really do like Sirius here. I almost wonder why James is the leader when I read this passage, just because Sirius seems so cool to me.

I know! I have actually never really thought of James as the "leader". I always saw it as a joint operation between James and Sirius.

Wormtail: He is showing all the traits we have come to expect, being weak and sycophantic. It is perhaps a little too exaggerated -- it makes it less likely that James would trust his life to him.

I think it is overdone as well, but maybe they were both so arrogant they didn't mind how overt Wormtail's hero worship was. Perhaps as they got a handle on their arrogance later Wormtail got a handle on his fawning?

That makes sense.

Lupin: Lovely as always. Level-headed. I have heard him called weak because he does not stop the scene, but if my reading is right and this is part of a larger feud, his staying out of it makes sense.

I agree. I lost sympathy for Snape when he attacked from behind. I don't like what James did after, but Snape showed no honor in that action so I don't mind that Lupin didn't step in. I think he learned from watching this though, but I have nothing besides a gut feeling to base that on right now.

True.

Lily: She is cool. I like both her standing up for Snape and her ultimate rejection of him.

I'm glad Harry gets to see Lily in this moment, and in it's fuller context later on. His mother was a very strong, capable woman and he got to see an example of this. Even though his image of his father is dented, he has to be proud of who she was.

Indeed.

Harry: I like how he takes Snape's side in the memory. Especially as I don't. It is a side to his character that … I suppose it is what makes him the hero -- especially in Rowling's universe. It is interesting that he thinks that it would be acceptable to do it to Malfoy.

Yes. The parallel between Draco and Snape is a strong one to me, and for Harry to feel pity for Snape while wishing the same treatment on Malfoy seems to be missing something to me. James must have thought picking on Snape to be alright on the same terms that Harry thinks it would be okay to do that to Malfoy. Harry can be smart at times, I don't know how he misses this one.

I think it may be due to the earlier images he has seen of Snape's childhood. He is identifying with him because of them. He has no such reference point for Draco (although I think it is fairly obvious that his home life is not stellar either).

Now that I think about it, I don't know that we have been treated to any direct thoughts about Draco's life being unhappy at home, though clearly we find out later. I might be remembering incorrectly, but maybe we've only seen Draco as a spoiled prince to this point and the revelations come later. It's hard to separate it for me, but if we haven't been told yet perhaps it is slightly more forgivable for Harry to have this impulse. I would be sad if he acted on it though.

I am a little annoyed that he does not think of the mirror when he is so desperate to talk to Sirius. Yes, I know I said it was part of a beautifully structured plot, but on the level of character it is a little unsatisfying.

Gaping plot hole to me. I understand it from the structural standpoint as you say, but seriously?

Well, I wouldn't say gaping plot hole. I don't think he has opened the present yet, so he does not know it is a two-way mirror. And he put it aside with the resolution that he would not look at it. She has provided a plausible reason for it not being used. It is just that considering the danger he is running, it is annoying for me as a reader to know that he has another option. I know I didn't think about it the first time I read it, though. Like Harry, I had forgotten it.

I didn't forget it, so maybe that's why. If we are supposed to forget it it's a little better. I just don't know why he would risk everything like that. It's one of those times where I recognize why it has to happen in the larger context of the story, but when I read this part it feels forced that he forgets the easy way. And I don't like that he doesn't open it. I mean, I get that he doesn't want to use it and endanger Sirius, but not opening a magic present just to check it out? I don't buy it personally. I really don't read books or watch movies to try to see what is wrong with them, this area is just a stretch I find hard to ignore.

His whole expedition really is problematic. As Hermione points out, Dumbledore's sacrifice would be in vain if he got caught. And he shows that he is aware that it would reflect very badly on McGonagall. Not to mention that this is not vital stuff. The only possible upshot will be to ease his mind. It is on par with running around risking his life in book 3 (before we knew Sirius was a good guy).

McGonagall: Reading her interaction with Umbridge is a joy. Her mix of ignoring her, correcting her and being downright rude (in a polite way) is wonderful. And when she finally snaps, there is that feeling of unleashing of power which I like so much in Dumbledore. Yes, I gush :<img class=' />

"Are you quite certain you wouldn't like a cough drop Dolores" is freaking brilliant. Everything in that scene is priceless. And the jibe about Harry having good marks from every qualified instructor he'd had. That interview is a beautiful piece of writing.

Indeed :D
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You're right of course. - 14/09/2010 11:58:06 PM 1950 Views
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He's incredibly blind, our Harry. - 19/09/2010 06:38:29 PM 1870 Views
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Character development. - 17/09/2010 12:06:52 PM 1858 Views
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Yes - 17/09/2010 06:20:34 PM 1926 Views
I don't know how I missed it. - 19/09/2010 02:16:11 AM 1926 Views
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According to the HP Wiki at Wikia, there should be a more explicit mention of it in book seven. *NM* - 19/09/2010 07:34:10 PM 993 Views
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Mr. Weasley - 17/09/2010 04:54:49 PM 1984 Views
He is lovely. - 17/09/2010 06:22:27 PM 1819 Views
His shifts between the two are handled nicely. - 17/09/2010 07:19:38 PM 1977 Views
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It's cheesy. *NM* - 17/09/2010 08:41:32 PM 1025 Views
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Yeah, let's. *NM* - 20/09/2010 10:37:32 AM 1061 Views
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Re: Character development. - 17/09/2010 06:17:37 PM 1982 Views
Percy and Prefect Ron. - 18/09/2010 03:27:13 PM 1958 Views
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Other things of note. - 17/09/2010 12:07:33 PM 1929 Views
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Monday 20 September: chapters 10-12 ~ Back to school *NM* - 13/09/2010 09:26:44 PM 952 Views
Characters: Luna, Umbridge and the Sorting Hat *NM* - 20/09/2010 08:03:30 AM 1048 Views
Draco, Ginny, Luna, Neville, Harry, Umbridge and McGonnagall - 20/09/2010 03:44:01 PM 1806 Views
I think McGonagall kind of fails there. - 20/09/2010 04:58:01 PM 1848 Views
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Maybe she doesn't realize all that, but really, how much effort does it take to be clear? - 20/09/2010 05:43:57 PM 1949 Views
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Oh, I think it is. - 20/09/2010 06:30:33 PM 1834 Views
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My head is spinning a bit from this debate. - 21/09/2010 03:01:16 PM 1931 Views
Re: Oh, I think it is. - 22/09/2010 02:59:40 AM 1868 Views
Prefect picking. - 22/09/2010 03:10:04 AM 1924 Views
Re: Draco, Ginny, Luna, Neville, Umbridge - 22/09/2010 03:07:13 AM 2043 Views
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Weasley goodness. - 22/09/2010 03:16:41 AM 1903 Views
Re: Weasley goodness. - 22/09/2010 09:03:52 AM 2029 Views
Re: Weasley goodness. - 23/09/2010 04:32:45 AM 2039 Views
Plot: things you've noticed. *NM* - 20/09/2010 08:04:13 AM 1020 Views
Not much in these chapters - 20/09/2010 03:45:55 PM 1962 Views
Oh, there's more than that. - 20/09/2010 04:43:28 PM 1935 Views
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I remembered now: Barty Crouch Junior. - 20/09/2010 05:08:16 PM 1885 Views
I did not get that from the passage - 20/09/2010 05:19:45 PM 1879 Views
Hmm. - 20/09/2010 05:38:28 PM 1921 Views
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Because it rather seems like it'd come up if he had. - 20/09/2010 06:21:30 PM 1967 Views
Re: Because it rather seems like it'd come up if he had. - 20/09/2010 06:34:32 PM 1966 Views
You make a good point. - 21/09/2010 03:12:10 PM 1974 Views
Oh yes: Assyria is a wizarding country. - 22/09/2010 09:42:27 AM 1946 Views
Er, that should've gone under anything else. Oh well. *NM* - 22/09/2010 09:46:30 AM 1145 Views
Yes - 22/09/2010 09:50:47 AM 1891 Views
Because that's the only modern meaning of "Assyrian". - 22/09/2010 09:58:03 AM 2052 Views
Re: Because that's the only modern meaning of "Assyrian". - 22/09/2010 09:59:39 AM 2012 Views
Who knows? Don't think we've seen much discussion of religion in the wizarding world. *NM* - 22/09/2010 10:02:30 AM 1032 Views
True - 22/09/2010 12:00:12 PM 1951 Views
On their broomsticks, obviously *NM* - 23/09/2010 02:27:06 PM 1059 Views
In that part of the world I understand they use flying carpets, actually. *NM* - 23/09/2010 03:16:18 PM 963 Views
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I know there was one in book 4 - 23/09/2010 06:43:34 PM 1836 Views
That's right, talking shop with Dad. - 23/09/2010 07:40:42 PM 1818 Views
Themes - 20/09/2010 08:05:17 AM 1811 Views
Bigotry and control - 20/09/2010 03:49:49 PM 1985 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 20/09/2010 08:05:33 AM 1033 Views
Thestrals & Hufflepuff - 20/09/2010 03:50:34 PM 1828 Views
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For some reason... - 22/09/2010 03:24:14 AM 1998 Views
Yes - 22/09/2010 08:55:50 AM 1890 Views
Wednesday 22 September: chapters 13-15 ~ School gets interesting. - 13/09/2010 09:27:09 PM 2020 Views
Character development: how are our three main characters getting along? - 22/09/2010 12:43:53 PM 1790 Views
Some interesting developments, I thought. - 22/09/2010 01:57:42 PM 1964 Views
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Dumbledore, this really bugs me - 23/09/2010 03:39:28 AM 1814 Views
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Action and reaction - 22/09/2010 12:50:35 PM 1999 Views
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Any other comments? - 22/09/2010 12:44:54 PM 1849 Views
Erm. - 23/09/2010 04:48:03 AM 1857 Views
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Not really a distance thing, but... - 23/09/2010 02:58:55 PM 1899 Views
The title of chapter 13. - 27/09/2010 03:58:04 PM 2025 Views
Good point. - 27/09/2010 04:00:56 PM 1960 Views
Friday 24 September: chapters 16-18 ~ Dumbledore's Army - 13/09/2010 09:27:50 PM 1978 Views
Character development: Harry, Hermione, Ron, etc. - 24/09/2010 05:05:43 PM 1984 Views
Ron, Hermione, Cho, Weasley children, Neville, Trelawny, Sirius - 24/09/2010 07:07:28 PM 2003 Views
Le plot. - 24/09/2010 05:06:34 PM 1860 Views
Reaction -- the forming of the DA - 24/09/2010 07:08:45 PM 2078 Views
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Anything else? - 24/09/2010 05:07:10 PM 1695 Views
Kittens! - 24/09/2010 07:09:28 PM 1816 Views
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Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry - 27/09/2010 03:26:13 PM 1957 Views
Re: Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry - 27/09/2010 04:57:55 PM 1943 Views
Re: Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry - 27/09/2010 05:08:10 PM 1802 Views
Re: Various characters you mentioned - 29/09/2010 03:54:42 AM 1928 Views
Re: Various characters you mentioned - 29/09/2010 09:41:16 AM 1979 Views
Plot - are we happy with what's happening? - 27/09/2010 07:58:33 AM 1906 Views
Definitely some things of note! - 27/09/2010 02:43:41 PM 1868 Views
Re: Definitely some things of note! - 27/09/2010 03:36:39 PM 1935 Views
Re: Definitely some things of note! - 27/09/2010 04:03:17 PM 1883 Views
Re: Definitely some things of note! - 27/09/2010 04:07:20 PM 1726 Views
Mirroring - 27/09/2010 03:27:51 PM 1880 Views
Re: Mirroring - this is good. - 30/09/2010 02:43:21 PM 1938 Views
Any other thoughts? - 27/09/2010 07:59:14 AM 1789 Views
Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants - 27/09/2010 03:28:10 PM 1796 Views
Re: Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants - 27/09/2010 05:08:42 PM 1761 Views
Re: Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants - 27/09/2010 05:21:20 PM 1848 Views
Re: Gnomes - 29/09/2010 04:00:20 AM 1737 Views
Re: Gnomes - 29/09/2010 09:43:54 AM 1904 Views
Re: Gnomes - 30/09/2010 03:27:37 AM 1929 Views
Wednesday 29 September: chapters 22-24 - 13/09/2010 09:29:12 PM 1972 Views
Characters and characterisation *NM* - 29/09/2010 04:43:38 PM 998 Views
High emotions. - 29/09/2010 05:11:07 PM 1920 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 08:21:46 PM 1872 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 09:51:14 PM 1937 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 10:06:43 PM 1853 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 10:28:58 PM 1835 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 11:31:04 PM 1841 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 11:35:52 PM 1892 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 09:18:42 PM 1691 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 10:05:32 PM 1894 Views
Re: High emotions. - 30/09/2010 04:04:31 AM 1880 Views
Themes and progression of themes. *NM* - 29/09/2010 04:44:11 PM 950 Views
A bit of a respite on that score - 29/09/2010 05:18:46 PM 1883 Views
Plotting and plot continuity *NM* - 29/09/2010 04:44:32 PM 1012 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity - 29/09/2010 05:11:43 PM 2074 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity - 29/09/2010 09:17:02 PM 1965 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity - 29/09/2010 09:58:03 PM 1996 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity - 30/09/2010 02:36:25 PM 1997 Views
Other things of note. *NM* - 29/09/2010 04:44:51 PM 1025 Views
A Question - 29/09/2010 05:12:06 PM 1910 Views
Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's. - 29/09/2010 09:19:53 PM 1913 Views
Re: Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's. - 29/09/2010 10:35:51 PM 1738 Views
Re: Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's. - 30/09/2010 03:42:21 AM 1910 Views
The Lockheart encounter is great too. - 30/09/2010 05:21:17 AM 1911 Views
Re: The Lockheart encounter is great too. - 30/09/2010 02:50:18 PM 1944 Views
Friday 1 October: chapters 25-27 - Sorry I'm late. - 13/09/2010 09:29:58 PM 1838 Views
Plot/action: getting exciting? *NM* - 02/10/2010 11:25:48 AM 1040 Views
Beginning of the end - 02/10/2010 07:55:36 PM 2010 Views
Re: Beginning of the end - 05/10/2010 10:45:32 PM 1881 Views
Re: Beginning of the end - 05/10/2010 10:52:28 PM 1969 Views
Re: Beginning of the end - 06/10/2010 01:33:57 AM 1879 Views
Other things. *NM* - 02/10/2010 11:26:06 AM 942 Views
The way reactions are given, and an observation about occlumency. - 02/10/2010 07:55:48 PM 1992 Views
The least important of your points... - 04/10/2010 08:18:04 PM 2099 Views
Re: The least important of your points... - 04/10/2010 08:20:15 PM 1866 Views
Re: The least important of your points... - 05/10/2010 07:41:32 PM 2012 Views
Monday 4 October: chapters 28-30 - bad memories, dramatic exits, and large brothers. - 13/09/2010 09:32:03 PM 1899 Views
Characters: James, Sirius, Lily, Snape, Umbridge, Fred, George, Hagrid, Grawp - 04/10/2010 06:31:44 PM 1977 Views
The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. - 04/10/2010 07:40:26 PM 1898 Views
Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. - 05/10/2010 05:16:45 AM 2049 Views
Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. - 05/10/2010 09:19:28 AM 2077 Views
Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. - 05/10/2010 03:56:50 PM 2167 Views
Plotting and themes. - 04/10/2010 06:32:16 PM 1916 Views
family and bigotry - 04/10/2010 07:41:22 PM 1944 Views
Weasley Mayhem. And stuff. - 05/10/2010 02:07:06 AM 1916 Views
Re: Weasley Mayhem. And stuff. - 05/10/2010 09:06:04 AM 1810 Views
Re: family and bigotry - 05/10/2010 11:27:55 PM 1927 Views
Re: family and bigotry - 05/10/2010 11:37:11 PM 1894 Views
Anything else? - 04/10/2010 06:32:43 PM 1932 Views
portaits - 04/10/2010 07:41:49 PM 1743 Views
I'm wondering if Dumbledore is camping out in his office. - 05/10/2010 11:19:03 PM 1975 Views
Re: I'm wondering if Dumbledore is camping out in his office. - 05/10/2010 11:28:37 PM 2007 Views
That would be awesome. - 06/10/2010 02:28:33 AM 1903 Views
Wednesday 6 October: chapters 31-33 - OWLs, fights and other such hijinks. - 13/09/2010 09:32:40 PM 1920 Views
Plot! Theme and Action! - 06/10/2010 08:14:21 PM 1873 Views
The trap is set - 06/10/2010 08:36:03 PM 1888 Views
Re: The trap is set - 06/10/2010 09:37:17 PM 1887 Views
Re: The trap is set - 06/10/2010 09:50:15 PM 1956 Views
Anything else you want to waffle about. - 06/10/2010 08:14:50 PM 1912 Views
exams - 06/10/2010 08:36:35 PM 1862 Views
Friday 8 October: chapters 34-36 - The big fight and the big farewell. - 13/09/2010 09:33:45 PM 2067 Views
Characters: Death Eaters, Order of the Phoenix, and the children. - 08/10/2010 11:19:58 AM 1987 Views
Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin - 08/10/2010 07:52:01 PM 1895 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin - 09/10/2010 01:00:00 AM 2094 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin - 09/10/2010 10:23:24 AM 1793 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin - 10/10/2010 03:40:46 AM 1760 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin - 10/10/2010 10:54:31 AM 1983 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin - 12/10/2010 02:46:40 AM 2012 Views
First big appearance for Bellatrix. - 09/10/2010 01:11:54 AM 1997 Views
Re: First big appearance for Bellatrix. - 09/10/2010 10:13:26 AM 1955 Views
Action. And more action. - 08/10/2010 11:20:49 AM 1894 Views
The tragedy - 08/10/2010 07:51:29 PM 2005 Views
Re: The tragedy - 09/10/2010 12:42:53 AM 1790 Views
Re: The tragedy - 09/10/2010 12:49:31 AM 1980 Views
I'm wondering what would have happened... - 09/10/2010 01:14:58 AM 1691 Views
Re: I'm wondering what would have happened... - 09/10/2010 10:16:25 AM 1844 Views
Re: I'm wondering what would have happened... - 10/10/2010 03:22:18 AM 2077 Views
Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn) - 11/10/2010 12:51:06 AM 1920 Views
Re: Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn) - 12/10/2010 02:48:53 AM 1858 Views
Other things. - 08/10/2010 11:21:12 AM 1868 Views
Re: Other things. - 08/10/2010 07:52:45 PM 1916 Views
Well. - 10/10/2010 03:26:01 AM 1892 Views
Monday 11 October: chapters 37-38 ~ The end of innocence? - 13/09/2010 09:35:14 PM 2000 Views
How are our characters left? - 11/10/2010 05:25:39 PM 1935 Views
Plot and theme: - 11/10/2010 05:26:37 PM 1874 Views
Prophecy, choice, house elves and knowledge. - 11/10/2010 11:50:46 PM 2028 Views
Any other thoughts? - 11/10/2010 05:27:17 PM 1761 Views
One minor and one major disappointment. - 11/10/2010 11:51:08 PM 2086 Views
Re: One minor and one major disappointment. - 12/10/2010 02:53:28 AM 2098 Views
General comments. - 13/09/2010 09:36:13 PM 1952 Views
The first time I read this book I didn't like it much. - 14/09/2010 04:23:43 AM 1912 Views
It was one of my favourite books from the get-go. - 14/09/2010 09:08:03 AM 2049 Views
The structure of this book is different from the earlier ones - 15/09/2010 09:55:26 AM 2081 Views
What do we think of Rowling's writing skills in this book? - 22/09/2010 12:54:14 PM 1906 Views
Much improved - 22/09/2010 03:08:51 PM 1854 Views
How do you feel about the book as a whole? - 11/10/2010 05:28:23 PM 1840 Views
Re: How do you feel about the book as a whole? - 12/10/2010 03:00:01 AM 2044 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. - 13/09/2010 09:36:56 PM 1890 Views
Your links don't work - 14/09/2010 10:37:32 AM 1826 Views
Fixed. *NM* - 14/09/2010 10:46:08 AM 1101 Views
I just copied old ones. - 14/09/2010 06:32:50 PM 1932 Views
Do we need to have another break? - 27/09/2010 08:00:04 AM 1922 Views
Before the next book, you mean? - 27/09/2010 01:05:14 PM 1833 Views
But now I want to keep reading them. </whine> - 29/09/2010 04:02:57 AM 1810 Views
We'll start Book 6 on Monday 18 October. - 11/10/2010 05:29:21 PM 2005 Views

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