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Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. Camilla Send a noteboard - 05/10/2010 09:19:28 AM
Twins: I think the moment they decided that they would no longer care about getting into trouble is the moment I realised this would be one of my favourite books of the series. I love the havoc they wreak. And how they set the stage for the teachers' banding together. And then when they finally decide to leave … the conversation they hold between themselves. It is adorable. And then the final moment of advertisement (and the excellent discount idea) -- and Peeves' salute. It all has me giggling like a madwoman. It makes me happy. It is the perfect counterpoint to the horror and Evil that is Umbridge. Once again, breaking the rules entirely is the only way out of her world.

I love it when they get to talking fast and having one thought at the same time. It's brilliant. The scene where they leave is simply brilliant. You're right, Peeves' salute is wonderful. They took it so over the top that Umbridge couldn't even fathom what they were doing or what was going on. She does not do well with disorder and I love it when she has to.


Indeed :D

The teachers: I have said it before, and I will say it again. Nothing quite warms my heart like the teachers of Hogwarts banding together with the students to make Umbridge's life miserable. I like Flitwick's pointed comment. It sums up very neatly the trouble with totalitarianism. But the finest moment is probably McGonagall telling Peeves that the chandelier unscrews the other way.

I think this is my favorite book for McGonagall. She isn't a character with the opportunity to show a lot of range, but her against Umbridge allows for her to be more fleshed out.


Yes. That is a problem for a lot of the teachers. Children see their teachers from the one perspective, and teachers have to restrain themselves and present a certain façade in class. Umbridge allows us to peak behind it because she strains it.

Cho: I feel it is saying something that when Cho and Harry argue, I am on Harry's side. She really is quite astonishingly dim and irrational at times. I am glad Harry switches her in for a more sensible girl.

Cho is ridiculous. I'm guessing Rowling always knew she wanted Harry with Ginny but didn't want them together before they had dated other people which is why we get stuck with Cho. Harry had to date someone we were happy to see the back of. At least, that's my guess. I can't stand her.


Yes, I think you are right about the reasons for Cho being there. She is also a walking talking warning against falling in love with someone just because they are pretty and good at Quidditch (or, you know, another sport).

Snape: Harry interprets him as the weak victim of strong bullies in the memory. I think that is a mistake. And not just because of the ``Harry is always wrong'' rule. First of all, we are given this out of context. It is one memory, which does not provide us with the story of earlier encounters. I feel fairly certain that there is a varied pattern there. I don't think they are picking on him because he is weak; quite the contrary, I think they are doing what the twins did to Dudley in an earlier book (although as I see it in a less problematic way): they are picking on him for being part of a group which picks on the weak -- for being associated with the dark arts. The particular comments may not be related to that, but they are the superstructure, not the motivation.

The fact that Snape attacks James when his back is turned backs this up and serves as direct provocation for the more humiliating retaliation. Sirius' impedimenta spell merely held him down; Snape draws blood (to be fair, he is probably also spurred on by the proximity of Lily). His reaction to Lily's help (calling her a mudblood) is also somewhat explained by his embarrassment at this point, but it still speaks volumes about what he considers acceptable.


Yes. I wonder whether it is the mudblood comment that makes this Snape's worst memory, or whether it is the being dangled upside down.

I don't know that I'll ever understand Snape calling Lily mudblood there. I know he is embarrassed, but she is the love of his life. He doesn't really see her as muggle-born from what I've read, so his comment here makes no sense for me except in the bigger picture that he had to do something unforgivable to lose Lily's loyalty.


People do stupid things. People in love do especially stupid things. I don't see it as unrealistic. Keep in mind they are teenagers.

James: He is a little full of himself, and clearly approaching Lily in entirely the wrong way, but I don't think his comment to Lily that his motivation for mistreating Snape is merely ``because he exists'' is something to be taken at face value. I stick to my reading as I explained it above. James is arrogant, but he is not bad.

He is arrogant, and here I'm sure he is at his worst. I do like how Harry doesn't try to rationalize what James did and instead sides with Snape. I don't agree with his perception, but I do like how Harry is able to admit that maybe James wasn't as perfect as he had built him up to be.


I agree.

Sirius: I like that everything he does is done in a dashing way. His comment about Wormtail wetting himself with excitement is cutting, but at this time Harry (who is our resident standard of morality) has been annoyed for a while and thinking that James should ``tell Wormtail to get a grip on himself''.

His comment that he wishes it were the full moon is more problematic, in a way, considering how horrible that is for Lupin. But it serves to establish him even more as someone who lives for daring adventures and danger. Possibly because everything is too easy -- he is not the least worried about his exams.

He is a little dismissive of what must be painful for Lupin to think about or discuss, and while I don't like that particular part, I really do like Sirius here. I almost wonder why James is the leader when I read this passage, just because Sirius seems so cool to me.


I know! I have actually never really thought of James as the "leader". I always saw it as a joint operation between James and Sirius.

Wormtail: He is showing all the traits we have come to expect, being weak and sycophantic. It is perhaps a little too exaggerated -- it makes it less likely that James would trust his life to him.

I think it is overdone as well, but maybe they were both so arrogant they didn't mind how overt Wormtail's hero worship was. Perhaps as they got a handle on their arrogance later Wormtail got a handle on his fawning?


That makes sense.

Lupin: Lovely as always. Level-headed. I have heard him called weak because he does not stop the scene, but if my reading is right and this is part of a larger feud, his staying out of it makes sense.

I agree. I lost sympathy for Snape when he attacked from behind. I don't like what James did after, but Snape showed no honor in that action so I don't mind that Lupin didn't step in. I think he learned from watching this though, but I have nothing besides a gut feeling to base that on right now.


True.

Lily: She is cool. I like both her standing up for Snape and her ultimate rejection of him.

I'm glad Harry gets to see Lily in this moment, and in it's fuller context later on. His mother was a very strong, capable woman and he got to see an example of this. Even though his image of his father is dented, he has to be proud of who she was.


Indeed.

Harry: I like how he takes Snape's side in the memory. Especially as I don't. It is a side to his character that … I suppose it is what makes him the hero -- especially in Rowling's universe. It is interesting that he thinks that it would be acceptable to do it to Malfoy.

Yes. The parallel between Draco and Snape is a strong one to me, and for Harry to feel pity for Snape while wishing the same treatment on Malfoy seems to be missing something to me. James must have thought picking on Snape to be alright on the same terms that Harry thinks it would be okay to do that to Malfoy. Harry can be smart at times, I don't know how he misses this one.


I think it may be due to the earlier images he has seen of Snape's childhood. He is identifying with him because of them. He has no such reference point for Draco (although I think it is fairly obvious that his home life is not stellar either).

I am a little annoyed that he does not think of the mirror when he is so desperate to talk to Sirius. Yes, I know I said it was part of a beautifully structured plot, but on the level of character it is a little unsatisfying.

Gaping plot hole to me. I understand it from the structural standpoint as you say, but seriously?


Well, I wouldn't say gaping plot hole. I don't think he has opened the present yet, so he does not know it is a two-way mirror. And he put it aside with the resolution that he would not look at it. She has provided a plausible reason for it not being used. It is just that considering the danger he is running, it is annoying for me as a reader to know that he has another option. I know I didn't think about it the first time I read it, though. Like Harry, I had forgotten it.

His whole expedition really is problematic. As Hermione points out, Dumbledore's sacrifice would be in vain if he got caught. And he shows that he is aware that it would reflect very badly on McGonagall. Not to mention that this is not vital stuff. The only possible upshot will be to ease his mind. It is on par with running around risking his life in book 3 (before we knew Sirius was a good guy).

McGonagall: Reading her interaction with Umbridge is a joy. Her mix of ignoring her, correcting her and being downright rude (in a polite way) is wonderful. And when she finally snaps, there is that feeling of unleashing of power which I like so much in Dumbledore. Yes, I gush :<img class=' />

"Are you quite certain you wouldn't like a cough drop Dolores" is freaking brilliant. Everything in that scene is priceless. And the jibe about Harry having good marks from every qualified instructor he'd had. That interview is a beautiful piece of writing.


Indeed :D
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For some reason... aria - 22/09/2010 03:24:14 AM 1991 Views
Yes Camilla - 22/09/2010 08:55:50 AM 1886 Views
Wednesday 22 September: chapters 13-15 ~ School gets interesting. Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:27:09 PM 2017 Views
Character development: how are our three main characters getting along? Rebekah - 22/09/2010 12:43:53 PM 1786 Views
Dumbledore, Umbridge, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Harry, Percy ad McGonnagall. Camilla - 22/09/2010 12:49:12 PM 1918 Views
Some interesting developments, I thought. Legolas - 22/09/2010 01:57:42 PM 1962 Views
Re: Some interesting developments, I thought. Edited Camilla - 22/09/2010 02:35:20 PM 1901 Views
Dumbledore, this really bugs me StormCrow - 23/09/2010 03:39:28 AM 1808 Views
Re: Dumbledore, this really bugs me Camilla - 23/09/2010 08:37:18 AM 1900 Views
Re: Dumbledore, this really bugs me StormCrow - 23/09/2010 02:51:13 PM 1835 Views
Plot progression, and continuing themes. Rebekah - 22/09/2010 12:44:34 PM 2006 Views
Action and reaction Camilla - 22/09/2010 12:50:35 PM 1995 Views
Re: Action and reaction Legolas - 22/09/2010 02:15:16 PM 1858 Views
Re: Action and reaction Camilla - 22/09/2010 02:43:32 PM 1900 Views
Umbridge StormCrow - 23/09/2010 03:54:48 AM 2016 Views
Re: Umbridge Camilla - 23/09/2010 08:38:47 AM 1832 Views
Re: Plot progression, and continuing themes. Legolas - 22/09/2010 02:03:27 PM 1961 Views
Re: Plot progression, and continuing themes. Camilla - 22/09/2010 02:25:48 PM 2068 Views
Any other comments? Rebekah - 22/09/2010 12:44:54 PM 1846 Views
Erm. Cockatiel of Doom - 23/09/2010 04:48:03 AM 1852 Views
Re: Erm. Camilla - 23/09/2010 08:40:19 AM 1940 Views
Not really a distance thing, but... StormCrow - 23/09/2010 02:58:55 PM 1896 Views
The title of chapter 13. Legolas - 27/09/2010 03:58:04 PM 2021 Views
Good point. Camilla - 27/09/2010 04:00:56 PM 1953 Views
Friday 24 September: chapters 16-18 ~ Dumbledore's Army Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:27:50 PM 1975 Views
Character development: Harry, Hermione, Ron, etc. Rebekah - 24/09/2010 05:05:43 PM 1981 Views
Ron, Hermione, Cho, Weasley children, Neville, Trelawny, Sirius Camilla - 24/09/2010 07:07:28 PM 1997 Views
Le plot. Rebekah - 24/09/2010 05:06:34 PM 1852 Views
Reaction -- the forming of the DA Camilla - 24/09/2010 07:08:45 PM 2075 Views
Re: Reaction -- the forming of the DA StormCrow - 27/09/2010 02:16:53 PM 1987 Views
Re: Reaction -- the forming of the DA Camilla - 27/09/2010 02:30:31 PM 1979 Views
Re: Reaction -- the forming of the DA Legolas - 27/09/2010 03:55:50 PM 1870 Views
Re: Reaction -- the forming of the DA Camilla - 27/09/2010 03:59:33 PM 1811 Views
Re: Reaction -- the forming of the DA Legolas - 27/09/2010 04:11:01 PM 2069 Views
Re: Reaction -- the forming of the DA Camilla - 27/09/2010 04:14:39 PM 1980 Views
Anything else? Rebekah - 24/09/2010 05:07:10 PM 1689 Views
Kittens! Camilla - 24/09/2010 07:09:28 PM 1810 Views
Re: Kittens! StormCrow - 27/09/2010 01:54:26 PM 1931 Views
Re: Kittens! Camilla - 27/09/2010 01:57:30 PM 1964 Views
Re: Kittens! StormCrow - 27/09/2010 02:02:55 PM 2046 Views
Monday 27 September: chapters 19-21 ~ Quidditch, Hagrid and thestrals. Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:28:27 PM 1851 Views
Les Characters Rebekah - 27/09/2010 07:57:17 AM 1859 Views
Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry Camilla - 27/09/2010 03:26:13 PM 1950 Views
Re: Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry Legolas - 27/09/2010 04:57:55 PM 1936 Views
Re: Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry Camilla - 27/09/2010 05:08:10 PM 1799 Views
Re: Various characters you mentioned Cockatiel of Doom - 29/09/2010 03:54:42 AM 1924 Views
Re: Various characters you mentioned Camilla - 29/09/2010 09:41:16 AM 1975 Views
Plot - are we happy with what's happening? Rebekah - 27/09/2010 07:58:33 AM 1898 Views
Definitely some things of note! StormCrow - 27/09/2010 02:43:41 PM 1863 Views
Re: Definitely some things of note! Camilla - 27/09/2010 03:36:39 PM 1933 Views
Re: Definitely some things of note! StormCrow - 27/09/2010 04:03:17 PM 1876 Views
Re: Definitely some things of note! Camilla - 27/09/2010 04:07:20 PM 1722 Views
Mirroring Camilla - 27/09/2010 03:27:51 PM 1875 Views
Re: Mirroring - this is good. StormCrow - 30/09/2010 02:43:21 PM 1935 Views
Any other thoughts? Rebekah - 27/09/2010 07:59:14 AM 1781 Views
Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants Camilla - 27/09/2010 03:28:10 PM 1788 Views
Re: Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants Legolas - 27/09/2010 05:08:42 PM 1753 Views
Re: Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants Camilla - 27/09/2010 05:21:20 PM 1841 Views
Re: Gnomes Cockatiel of Doom - 29/09/2010 04:00:20 AM 1732 Views
Re: Gnomes Camilla - 29/09/2010 09:43:54 AM 1898 Views
Re: Gnomes Cockatiel of Doom - 30/09/2010 03:27:37 AM 1926 Views
Wednesday 29 September: chapters 22-24 Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:29:12 PM 1965 Views
Characters and characterisation *NM* Rebekah - 29/09/2010 04:43:38 PM 993 Views
High emotions. Camilla - 29/09/2010 05:11:07 PM 1917 Views
Re: High emotions. Legolas - 29/09/2010 08:21:46 PM 1866 Views
Re: High emotions. Camilla - 29/09/2010 09:51:14 PM 1934 Views
Re: High emotions. Legolas - 29/09/2010 10:06:43 PM 1848 Views
Re: High emotions. Camilla - 29/09/2010 10:28:58 PM 1831 Views
Re: High emotions. Legolas - 29/09/2010 11:31:04 PM 1834 Views
Re: High emotions. Camilla - 29/09/2010 11:35:52 PM 1886 Views
Re: High emotions. StormCrow - 29/09/2010 09:18:42 PM 1685 Views
Re: High emotions. Camilla - 29/09/2010 10:05:32 PM 1890 Views
Re: High emotions. StormCrow - 30/09/2010 04:04:31 AM 1877 Views
Themes and progression of themes. *NM* Rebekah - 29/09/2010 04:44:11 PM 947 Views
A bit of a respite on that score Camilla - 29/09/2010 05:18:46 PM 1875 Views
Plotting and plot continuity *NM* Rebekah - 29/09/2010 04:44:32 PM 1010 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity Camilla - 29/09/2010 05:11:43 PM 2069 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity Legolas - 29/09/2010 09:17:02 PM 1960 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity Camilla - 29/09/2010 09:58:03 PM 1990 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity StormCrow - 30/09/2010 02:36:25 PM 1990 Views
Other things of note. *NM* Rebekah - 29/09/2010 04:44:51 PM 1022 Views
A Question Camilla - 29/09/2010 05:12:06 PM 1906 Views
Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's. Legolas - 29/09/2010 09:19:53 PM 1906 Views
Re: Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's. Camilla - 29/09/2010 10:35:51 PM 1734 Views
Re: Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's. Cockatiel of Doom - 30/09/2010 03:42:21 AM 1905 Views
The Lockheart encounter is great too. Seriana Sedai - 30/09/2010 05:21:17 AM 1905 Views
Re: The Lockheart encounter is great too. StormCrow - 30/09/2010 02:50:18 PM 1937 Views
Hermione is apparently smarter than J.K. Rowling. Or maybe just Harry. Hard to tell. Cockatiel of Doom - 30/09/2010 03:47:22 AM 1899 Views
The fact that she has Hermione use the right term points to a subtle distinction. Camilla - 30/09/2010 03:06:07 PM 1941 Views
Friday 1 October: chapters 25-27 - Sorry I'm late. Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:29:58 PM 1834 Views
The characters: development, actions, etc. *NM* Rebekah - 02/10/2010 11:25:09 AM 1053 Views
Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Camilla - 02/10/2010 07:54:05 PM 1981 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Cockatiel of Doom - 03/10/2010 02:19:37 AM 1972 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Camilla - 03/10/2010 10:05:48 AM 2185 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore StormCrow - 04/10/2010 09:10:47 PM 1936 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Camilla - 04/10/2010 09:18:42 PM 1870 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore StormCrow - 05/10/2010 01:06:54 AM 1929 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Camilla - 05/10/2010 09:02:36 AM 2069 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Legolas - 05/10/2010 10:39:30 PM 1983 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Camilla - 05/10/2010 10:50:27 PM 1788 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Legolas - 05/10/2010 11:13:36 PM 1890 Views
Plot/action: getting exciting? *NM* Rebekah - 02/10/2010 11:25:48 AM 1039 Views
Beginning of the end Camilla - 02/10/2010 07:55:36 PM 2005 Views
Re: Beginning of the end Legolas - 05/10/2010 10:45:32 PM 1875 Views
Re: Beginning of the end Camilla - 05/10/2010 10:52:28 PM 1964 Views
Re: Beginning of the end Seriana Sedai - 06/10/2010 01:33:57 AM 1872 Views
Other things. *NM* Rebekah - 02/10/2010 11:26:06 AM 940 Views
The way reactions are given, and an observation about occlumency. Camilla - 02/10/2010 07:55:48 PM 1986 Views
The least important of your points... StormCrow - 04/10/2010 08:18:04 PM 2096 Views
Re: The least important of your points... Camilla - 04/10/2010 08:20:15 PM 1863 Views
Re: The least important of your points... Seriana Sedai - 05/10/2010 07:41:32 PM 2006 Views
Monday 4 October: chapters 28-30 - bad memories, dramatic exits, and large brothers. Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:32:03 PM 1896 Views
Characters: James, Sirius, Lily, Snape, Umbridge, Fred, George, Hagrid, Grawp Rebekah - 04/10/2010 06:31:44 PM 1974 Views
The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. Camilla - 04/10/2010 07:40:26 PM 1894 Views
Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. Seriana Sedai - 05/10/2010 05:16:45 AM 2044 Views
Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. Camilla - 05/10/2010 09:19:28 AM 2070 Views
Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. Seriana Sedai - 05/10/2010 03:56:50 PM 2164 Views
Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. Legolas - 05/10/2010 11:09:16 PM 1895 Views
Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. Camilla - 05/10/2010 11:27:30 PM 1819 Views
Plotting and themes. Rebekah - 04/10/2010 06:32:16 PM 1911 Views
family and bigotry Camilla - 04/10/2010 07:41:22 PM 1941 Views
Weasley Mayhem. And stuff. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/10/2010 02:07:06 AM 1910 Views
Re: Weasley Mayhem. And stuff. Camilla - 05/10/2010 09:06:04 AM 1804 Views
Re: family and bigotry Legolas - 05/10/2010 11:27:55 PM 1920 Views
Re: family and bigotry Camilla - 05/10/2010 11:37:11 PM 1892 Views
Anything else? Rebekah - 04/10/2010 06:32:43 PM 1929 Views
portaits Camilla - 04/10/2010 07:41:49 PM 1737 Views
I'm wondering if Dumbledore is camping out in his office. Legolas - 05/10/2010 11:19:03 PM 1973 Views
Re: I'm wondering if Dumbledore is camping out in his office. Camilla - 05/10/2010 11:28:37 PM 2002 Views
That would be awesome. Seriana Sedai - 06/10/2010 02:28:33 AM 1900 Views
Wednesday 6 October: chapters 31-33 - OWLs, fights and other such hijinks. Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:32:40 PM 1916 Views
Characters - so many to deal with. Rebekah - 06/10/2010 08:13:36 PM 1860 Views
Ron, Neville, Harry, Hermione, McGonagall, Professor Tofty, Snape, Umbridge and the second trio. Camilla - 06/10/2010 08:34:55 PM 1984 Views
Re: Ron, Neville, Harry, Hermione, McGonagall, Professor Tofty, Snape, Umbridge and the second trio. Legolas - 06/10/2010 09:30:18 PM 1934 Views
Re: Ron, Neville, Harry, Hermione, McGonagall, Professor Tofty, Snape, Umbridge and the second trio. Camilla - 06/10/2010 09:46:38 PM 1946 Views
Plot! Theme and Action! Rebekah - 06/10/2010 08:14:21 PM 1867 Views
The trap is set Camilla - 06/10/2010 08:36:03 PM 1883 Views
Re: The trap is set Legolas - 06/10/2010 09:37:17 PM 1881 Views
Re: The trap is set Camilla - 06/10/2010 09:50:15 PM 1950 Views
Anything else you want to waffle about. Rebekah - 06/10/2010 08:14:50 PM 1909 Views
exams Camilla - 06/10/2010 08:36:35 PM 1859 Views
Friday 8 October: chapters 34-36 - The big fight and the big farewell. Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:33:45 PM 2061 Views
Characters: Death Eaters, Order of the Phoenix, and the children. Rebekah - 08/10/2010 11:19:58 AM 1984 Views
Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin Camilla - 08/10/2010 07:52:01 PM 1892 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin Legolas - 09/10/2010 01:00:00 AM 2092 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin Camilla - 09/10/2010 10:23:24 AM 1788 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin Cockatiel of Doom - 10/10/2010 03:40:46 AM 1756 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin Camilla - 10/10/2010 10:54:31 AM 1981 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin Cockatiel of Doom - 12/10/2010 02:46:40 AM 2004 Views
First big appearance for Bellatrix. Legolas - 09/10/2010 01:11:54 AM 1994 Views
Re: First big appearance for Bellatrix. Camilla - 09/10/2010 10:13:26 AM 1952 Views
Action. And more action. Rebekah - 08/10/2010 11:20:49 AM 1891 Views
The tragedy Camilla - 08/10/2010 07:51:29 PM 1996 Views
Re: The tragedy Legolas - 09/10/2010 12:42:53 AM 1786 Views
Re: The tragedy Camilla - 09/10/2010 12:49:31 AM 1974 Views
I'm wondering what would have happened... Legolas - 09/10/2010 01:14:58 AM 1689 Views
Re: I'm wondering what would have happened... Camilla - 09/10/2010 10:16:25 AM 1842 Views
Re: I'm wondering what would have happened... Cockatiel of Doom - 10/10/2010 03:22:18 AM 2071 Views
Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn) Seriana Sedai - 11/10/2010 12:51:06 AM 1916 Views
Re: Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn) Cockatiel of Doom - 12/10/2010 02:48:53 AM 1852 Views
Other things. Rebekah - 08/10/2010 11:21:12 AM 1861 Views
Re: Other things. Camilla - 08/10/2010 07:52:45 PM 1912 Views
Well. Cockatiel of Doom - 10/10/2010 03:26:01 AM 1885 Views
Monday 11 October: chapters 37-38 ~ The end of innocence? Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:35:14 PM 1996 Views
How are our characters left? Rebekah - 11/10/2010 05:25:39 PM 1932 Views
Phineas, Dumbledore, Voldemort, Fudge, McGonagall, Harry, Ron and Moody Camilla - 11/10/2010 11:50:16 PM 1931 Views
Plot and theme: Rebekah - 11/10/2010 05:26:37 PM 1867 Views
Prophecy, choice, house elves and knowledge. Camilla - 11/10/2010 11:50:46 PM 2023 Views
Any other thoughts? Rebekah - 11/10/2010 05:27:17 PM 1755 Views
One minor and one major disappointment. Camilla - 11/10/2010 11:51:08 PM 2078 Views
Re: One minor and one major disappointment. Cockatiel of Doom - 12/10/2010 02:53:28 AM 2091 Views
General comments. Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:36:13 PM 1945 Views
The first time I read this book I didn't like it much. Darth_Katie - 14/09/2010 04:23:43 AM 1903 Views
It was one of my favourite books from the get-go. Camilla - 14/09/2010 09:08:03 AM 2039 Views
The structure of this book is different from the earlier ones Camilla - 15/09/2010 09:55:26 AM 2074 Views
What do we think of Rowling's writing skills in this book? Rebekah - 22/09/2010 12:54:14 PM 1903 Views
Much improved Camilla - 22/09/2010 03:08:51 PM 1846 Views
How do you feel about the book as a whole? Rebekah - 11/10/2010 05:28:23 PM 1838 Views
Re: How do you feel about the book as a whole? Cockatiel of Doom - 12/10/2010 03:00:01 AM 2039 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:36:56 PM 1884 Views
Your links don't work Camilla - 14/09/2010 10:37:32 AM 1824 Views
Fixed. *NM* Legolas - 14/09/2010 10:46:08 AM 1098 Views
And fixed the links in the other ones, too - don't bother searching for new posts, there aren't any. *NM* Legolas - 14/09/2010 06:35:37 PM 973 Views
I just copied old ones. Rebekah - 14/09/2010 06:32:50 PM 1923 Views
Do we need to have another break? Rebekah - 27/09/2010 08:00:04 AM 1917 Views
Before the next book, you mean? Camilla - 27/09/2010 01:05:14 PM 1826 Views
But now I want to keep reading them. </whine> Cockatiel of Doom - 29/09/2010 04:02:57 AM 1805 Views
Will probably just have a little break - i.e. wait till the following Monday to start. Rebekah - 03/10/2010 09:48:52 AM 1924 Views
Re: Will probably just have a little break - i.e. wait till the following Monday to start. Cockatiel of Doom - 06/10/2010 12:01:09 AM 2089 Views
We'll start Book 6 on Monday 18 October. Rebekah - 11/10/2010 05:29:21 PM 2003 Views
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