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Re: Plotting and plot continuity Camilla Send a noteboard - 29/09/2010 09:58:03 PM
What was it Dumbledore saw in the smoke? The "in essence divided"? Is it a reference to Nagini being a Horcrux? Or about Voldemort possessing her? Or about Harry? I cannot make it out.

I was wondering too. Extremely cryptic by Rowling's standards, that - generally she doesn't do that. My best guess is it refers to the manner of Voldemort's possessing Nagini, without necessarily implying he knows about the Horcrux already. A really cryptic way of saying Voldemort isn't an Animagus but just controls Nagini somehow?


Ah, yes. That is a good point. Especially since Harry is about to go on a rant about how Voldemort may be a animagus and that he when possessing him may make him an animagus, too, and then transporting him across London to kill Mr Weasley. Seriously. That is one impressive leap of the imagination.

Also, Sirius tells Kreecher "OUT", which is the ambiguous order that makes it possible for him to throw a spanner in the works. It is interesting how this plot event is handled. The correct theory is voiced -- that he has left the house -- (and by Harry, no less), and then it is matter-of-factly reported that ``Kreecher, it transpired, had been lurking in the attic''. Good burying. It seems like an authoritative, objective narrator correcting the mistaken assumption, but it is anything but. And it is reinforced by Harry finding the explanation lacking. By this time, all readers will have picked up on Harry always being wrong, and now she uses it against us.

Yeah, that was well done. It's also interesting in thematic terms how Harry knows things about house-elves Sirius never realized despite living with them his whole childhood - because Harry has encountered them in such a different way and seen a different side of them.


Yes. To be fair, Sirius probably spent as much time as possible avoiding Kreecher. And Harry's experience with them was kind of forced on him. If Dobby had not showed up it is likely he would never have heard of them (well, with the exception of Winky) -- he never asked how the food got on plates in Hogwarts before book 4.

Broderick Bode gets a mention on the first visit to St. Mungo's, and then the plant is introduced while they visit Lockhart. Just as we are told his language may slowly be returning.

Yeah. One thrown into Azkaban, one in St. Mungo's and assassinated when it looks like he might start talking (though I guess Bode wasn't necessarily under the Imperius, perhaps he just caught them in the act at some point). The Death Eaters have still maintained their secret. Now Rookwood is about to be freed, so there won't be a third attempt until the fateful day.


True.

Incidentally, it seems quite likely that times like these are when Lucius' gifts to St. Mungo's come in handy: he gets inside information on patients of interest, thus allowing timely action.


Good point.

And Sirius' mirror for communicating. I love that touch, as it provides an avenue of communication which Harry could have used. It makes the end all the more tragic because he forgets about it. And the reason why he forgets about it is of course that he, already from the beginning, has resolved never to use it because he connects using it to driving Sirius from the safety of HQ. The reason for not using it is therefore the same as what he ends up doing by not using it. Classic tragic pattern. Did I mention Rowling does the tragedy plot quite well?

Yes, I was thinking of your comments about tragedies when I read that. It is a classic example. Though it's also a pet peeve of mine in books when characters for whatever reason refuse to even consider such a gift or note or whatever and throw it away or ignore it immediately for emotional reasons. Don't they have basic curiosity? Maybe I just don't have strong enough emotions, or too much curiosity. :P


True. I find it hard to believe, too. Althouhg I think Rowling does a good job justifying it here. The attempt to keep Sirius from harm is the overriding impulse of Harry in this book. And he does get distracted when he returns to school.

Similarly, the Occlumency session is what provides Harry with the knowledge he needs to do Voldemort's bidding in going to the Department of Mysteries.

Yeah. I'm not sure how to take the repeated charge that Snape is "opening Harry up for Voldemort" - obviously it isn't his intention, but it does seem to be the effect, and should he not realize that and take measures accordingly?


Well, he tells Harry to practice, and Harry never does. If he did, the sessions might not open him up.

Snape's observation that eye contact is often essential in legilimency provides a reason for Dumbledore's studied avoidance of Harry's eyes.

And adds particular meaning to the way Voldemort walked around his circle of followers and looked into all their eyes last book.


Ah, yes. Good point.

I take it Voldemort's happiness is in relation to the mass outbreak from Azkaban.

I believe so, we'll hear about it in the next chapter.


I thought it might. (I am being very good about not reading ahead.)
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Erm. Cockatiel of Doom - 23/09/2010 04:48:03 AM 1928 Views
Re: Erm. Camilla - 23/09/2010 08:40:19 AM 2012 Views
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Re: Kittens! StormCrow - 27/09/2010 01:54:26 PM 2000 Views
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Re: Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry Legolas - 27/09/2010 04:57:55 PM 1997 Views
Re: Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry Camilla - 27/09/2010 05:08:10 PM 1880 Views
Re: Various characters you mentioned Cockatiel of Doom - 29/09/2010 03:54:42 AM 1994 Views
Re: Various characters you mentioned Camilla - 29/09/2010 09:41:16 AM 2048 Views
Plot - are we happy with what's happening? Rebekah - 27/09/2010 07:58:33 AM 1967 Views
Definitely some things of note! StormCrow - 27/09/2010 02:43:41 PM 1940 Views
Re: Definitely some things of note! Camilla - 27/09/2010 03:36:39 PM 2009 Views
Re: Definitely some things of note! StormCrow - 27/09/2010 04:03:17 PM 1946 Views
Re: Definitely some things of note! Camilla - 27/09/2010 04:07:20 PM 1793 Views
Mirroring Camilla - 27/09/2010 03:27:51 PM 1950 Views
Re: Mirroring - this is good. StormCrow - 30/09/2010 02:43:21 PM 2019 Views
Any other thoughts? Rebekah - 27/09/2010 07:59:14 AM 1848 Views
Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants Camilla - 27/09/2010 03:28:10 PM 1837 Views
Re: Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants Legolas - 27/09/2010 05:08:42 PM 1831 Views
Re: Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants Camilla - 27/09/2010 05:21:20 PM 1912 Views
Re: Gnomes Cockatiel of Doom - 29/09/2010 04:00:20 AM 1817 Views
Re: Gnomes Camilla - 29/09/2010 09:43:54 AM 1968 Views
Re: Gnomes Cockatiel of Doom - 30/09/2010 03:27:37 AM 1995 Views
Wednesday 29 September: chapters 22-24 Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:29:12 PM 2033 Views
Characters and characterisation *NM* Rebekah - 29/09/2010 04:43:38 PM 1029 Views
High emotions. Camilla - 29/09/2010 05:11:07 PM 1993 Views
Re: High emotions. Legolas - 29/09/2010 08:21:46 PM 1939 Views
Re: High emotions. Camilla - 29/09/2010 09:51:14 PM 2002 Views
Re: High emotions. Legolas - 29/09/2010 10:06:43 PM 1916 Views
Re: High emotions. Camilla - 29/09/2010 10:28:58 PM 1909 Views
Re: High emotions. Legolas - 29/09/2010 11:31:04 PM 1913 Views
Re: High emotions. Camilla - 29/09/2010 11:35:52 PM 1946 Views
Re: High emotions. StormCrow - 29/09/2010 09:18:42 PM 1751 Views
Re: High emotions. Camilla - 29/09/2010 10:05:32 PM 1958 Views
Re: High emotions. StormCrow - 30/09/2010 04:04:31 AM 1935 Views
Themes and progression of themes. *NM* Rebekah - 29/09/2010 04:44:11 PM 983 Views
A bit of a respite on that score Camilla - 29/09/2010 05:18:46 PM 1945 Views
Plotting and plot continuity *NM* Rebekah - 29/09/2010 04:44:32 PM 1029 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity Camilla - 29/09/2010 05:11:43 PM 2157 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity Legolas - 29/09/2010 09:17:02 PM 2025 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity Camilla - 29/09/2010 09:58:03 PM 2068 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity StormCrow - 30/09/2010 02:36:25 PM 2060 Views
Other things of note. *NM* Rebekah - 29/09/2010 04:44:51 PM 1057 Views
A Question Camilla - 29/09/2010 05:12:06 PM 1976 Views
Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's. Legolas - 29/09/2010 09:19:53 PM 1981 Views
Re: Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's. Camilla - 29/09/2010 10:35:51 PM 1805 Views
Re: Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's. Cockatiel of Doom - 30/09/2010 03:42:21 AM 1981 Views
The Lockheart encounter is great too. Seriana Sedai - 30/09/2010 05:21:17 AM 1968 Views
Re: The Lockheart encounter is great too. StormCrow - 30/09/2010 02:50:18 PM 2007 Views
Hermione is apparently smarter than J.K. Rowling. Or maybe just Harry. Hard to tell. Cockatiel of Doom - 30/09/2010 03:47:22 AM 1969 Views
The fact that she has Hermione use the right term points to a subtle distinction. Camilla - 30/09/2010 03:06:07 PM 2020 Views
Friday 1 October: chapters 25-27 - Sorry I'm late. Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:29:58 PM 1898 Views
The characters: development, actions, etc. *NM* Rebekah - 02/10/2010 11:25:09 AM 1100 Views
Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Camilla - 02/10/2010 07:54:05 PM 2077 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Cockatiel of Doom - 03/10/2010 02:19:37 AM 2043 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Camilla - 03/10/2010 10:05:48 AM 2271 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore StormCrow - 04/10/2010 09:10:47 PM 2008 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Camilla - 04/10/2010 09:18:42 PM 1934 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore StormCrow - 05/10/2010 01:06:54 AM 1996 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Camilla - 05/10/2010 09:02:36 AM 2131 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Legolas - 05/10/2010 10:39:30 PM 2048 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Camilla - 05/10/2010 10:50:27 PM 1863 Views
Re: Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore Legolas - 05/10/2010 11:13:36 PM 1964 Views
Plot/action: getting exciting? *NM* Rebekah - 02/10/2010 11:25:48 AM 1067 Views
Beginning of the end Camilla - 02/10/2010 07:55:36 PM 2078 Views
Re: Beginning of the end Legolas - 05/10/2010 10:45:32 PM 1945 Views
Re: Beginning of the end Camilla - 05/10/2010 10:52:28 PM 2031 Views
Re: Beginning of the end Seriana Sedai - 06/10/2010 01:33:57 AM 1950 Views
Other things. *NM* Rebekah - 02/10/2010 11:26:06 AM 973 Views
The way reactions are given, and an observation about occlumency. Camilla - 02/10/2010 07:55:48 PM 2059 Views
The least important of your points... StormCrow - 04/10/2010 08:18:04 PM 2161 Views
Re: The least important of your points... Camilla - 04/10/2010 08:20:15 PM 1938 Views
Re: The least important of your points... Seriana Sedai - 05/10/2010 07:41:32 PM 2076 Views
Monday 4 October: chapters 28-30 - bad memories, dramatic exits, and large brothers. Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:32:03 PM 1974 Views
Characters: James, Sirius, Lily, Snape, Umbridge, Fred, George, Hagrid, Grawp Rebekah - 04/10/2010 06:31:44 PM 2046 Views
The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. Camilla - 04/10/2010 07:40:26 PM 1959 Views
Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. Seriana Sedai - 05/10/2010 05:16:45 AM 2120 Views
Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. Camilla - 05/10/2010 09:19:28 AM 2144 Views
Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. Seriana Sedai - 05/10/2010 03:56:50 PM 2241 Views
Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. Legolas - 05/10/2010 11:09:16 PM 1986 Views
Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. Camilla - 05/10/2010 11:27:30 PM 1889 Views
Plotting and themes. Rebekah - 04/10/2010 06:32:16 PM 1975 Views
family and bigotry Camilla - 04/10/2010 07:41:22 PM 2009 Views
Weasley Mayhem. And stuff. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/10/2010 02:07:06 AM 1980 Views
Re: Weasley Mayhem. And stuff. Camilla - 05/10/2010 09:06:04 AM 1877 Views
Re: family and bigotry Legolas - 05/10/2010 11:27:55 PM 1998 Views
Re: family and bigotry Camilla - 05/10/2010 11:37:11 PM 1928 Views
Anything else? Rebekah - 04/10/2010 06:32:43 PM 2003 Views
portaits Camilla - 04/10/2010 07:41:49 PM 1800 Views
I'm wondering if Dumbledore is camping out in his office. Legolas - 05/10/2010 11:19:03 PM 2045 Views
Re: I'm wondering if Dumbledore is camping out in his office. Camilla - 05/10/2010 11:28:37 PM 2069 Views
That would be awesome. Seriana Sedai - 06/10/2010 02:28:33 AM 1981 Views
Wednesday 6 October: chapters 31-33 - OWLs, fights and other such hijinks. Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:32:40 PM 1997 Views
Characters - so many to deal with. Rebekah - 06/10/2010 08:13:36 PM 1928 Views
Ron, Neville, Harry, Hermione, McGonagall, Professor Tofty, Snape, Umbridge and the second trio. Camilla - 06/10/2010 08:34:55 PM 2057 Views
Re: Ron, Neville, Harry, Hermione, McGonagall, Professor Tofty, Snape, Umbridge and the second trio. Legolas - 06/10/2010 09:30:18 PM 2016 Views
Re: Ron, Neville, Harry, Hermione, McGonagall, Professor Tofty, Snape, Umbridge and the second trio. Camilla - 06/10/2010 09:46:38 PM 2020 Views
Plot! Theme and Action! Rebekah - 06/10/2010 08:14:21 PM 1933 Views
The trap is set Camilla - 06/10/2010 08:36:03 PM 1947 Views
Re: The trap is set Legolas - 06/10/2010 09:37:17 PM 1927 Views
Re: The trap is set Camilla - 06/10/2010 09:50:15 PM 2020 Views
Anything else you want to waffle about. Rebekah - 06/10/2010 08:14:50 PM 1985 Views
exams Camilla - 06/10/2010 08:36:35 PM 1935 Views
Friday 8 October: chapters 34-36 - The big fight and the big farewell. Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:33:45 PM 2108 Views
Characters: Death Eaters, Order of the Phoenix, and the children. Rebekah - 08/10/2010 11:19:58 AM 2058 Views
Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin Camilla - 08/10/2010 07:52:01 PM 1961 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin Legolas - 09/10/2010 01:00:00 AM 2170 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin Camilla - 09/10/2010 10:23:24 AM 1862 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin Cockatiel of Doom - 10/10/2010 03:40:46 AM 1831 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin Camilla - 10/10/2010 10:54:31 AM 2046 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin Cockatiel of Doom - 12/10/2010 02:46:40 AM 2082 Views
First big appearance for Bellatrix. Legolas - 09/10/2010 01:11:54 AM 2070 Views
Re: First big appearance for Bellatrix. Camilla - 09/10/2010 10:13:26 AM 2029 Views
Action. And more action. Rebekah - 08/10/2010 11:20:49 AM 1969 Views
The tragedy Camilla - 08/10/2010 07:51:29 PM 2075 Views
Re: The tragedy Legolas - 09/10/2010 12:42:53 AM 1856 Views
Re: The tragedy Camilla - 09/10/2010 12:49:31 AM 2041 Views
I'm wondering what would have happened... Legolas - 09/10/2010 01:14:58 AM 1773 Views
Re: I'm wondering what would have happened... Camilla - 09/10/2010 10:16:25 AM 1906 Views
Re: I'm wondering what would have happened... Cockatiel of Doom - 10/10/2010 03:22:18 AM 2138 Views
Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn) Seriana Sedai - 11/10/2010 12:51:06 AM 1983 Views
Re: Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn) Cockatiel of Doom - 12/10/2010 02:48:53 AM 1932 Views
Other things. Rebekah - 08/10/2010 11:21:12 AM 1922 Views
Re: Other things. Camilla - 08/10/2010 07:52:45 PM 1981 Views
Well. Cockatiel of Doom - 10/10/2010 03:26:01 AM 1956 Views
Monday 11 October: chapters 37-38 ~ The end of innocence? Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:35:14 PM 2069 Views
How are our characters left? Rebekah - 11/10/2010 05:25:39 PM 2005 Views
Phineas, Dumbledore, Voldemort, Fudge, McGonagall, Harry, Ron and Moody Camilla - 11/10/2010 11:50:16 PM 2010 Views
Plot and theme: Rebekah - 11/10/2010 05:26:37 PM 1943 Views
Prophecy, choice, house elves and knowledge. Camilla - 11/10/2010 11:50:46 PM 2110 Views
Any other thoughts? Rebekah - 11/10/2010 05:27:17 PM 1824 Views
One minor and one major disappointment. Camilla - 11/10/2010 11:51:08 PM 2146 Views
Re: One minor and one major disappointment. Cockatiel of Doom - 12/10/2010 02:53:28 AM 2161 Views
General comments. Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:36:13 PM 2020 Views
The first time I read this book I didn't like it much. Darth_Katie - 14/09/2010 04:23:43 AM 1981 Views
It was one of my favourite books from the get-go. Camilla - 14/09/2010 09:08:03 AM 2117 Views
The structure of this book is different from the earlier ones Camilla - 15/09/2010 09:55:26 AM 2153 Views
What do we think of Rowling's writing skills in this book? Rebekah - 22/09/2010 12:54:14 PM 1976 Views
Much improved Camilla - 22/09/2010 03:08:51 PM 1923 Views
How do you feel about the book as a whole? Rebekah - 11/10/2010 05:28:23 PM 1901 Views
Re: How do you feel about the book as a whole? Cockatiel of Doom - 12/10/2010 03:00:01 AM 2115 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. Rebekah - 13/09/2010 09:36:56 PM 1954 Views
Your links don't work Camilla - 14/09/2010 10:37:32 AM 1899 Views
Fixed. *NM* Legolas - 14/09/2010 10:46:08 AM 1137 Views
And fixed the links in the other ones, too - don't bother searching for new posts, there aren't any. *NM* Legolas - 14/09/2010 06:35:37 PM 1004 Views
I just copied old ones. Rebekah - 14/09/2010 06:32:50 PM 1991 Views
Do we need to have another break? Rebekah - 27/09/2010 08:00:04 AM 1992 Views
Before the next book, you mean? Camilla - 27/09/2010 01:05:14 PM 1896 Views
But now I want to keep reading them. </whine> Cockatiel of Doom - 29/09/2010 04:02:57 AM 1874 Views
Will probably just have a little break - i.e. wait till the following Monday to start. Rebekah - 03/10/2010 09:48:52 AM 1995 Views
Re: Will probably just have a little break - i.e. wait till the following Monday to start. Cockatiel of Doom - 06/10/2010 12:01:09 AM 2157 Views
We'll start Book 6 on Monday 18 October. Rebekah - 11/10/2010 05:29:21 PM 2068 Views
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