Lots of things happening in here that come back up in future books
StormCrow Send a noteboard - 17/09/2010 04:41:02 PM
Your thoughts on Rowling's plot weaving in these chapters.
Harry's trials were full of interesting things, including annoying new characters. I hated Umbridge, basically from this point on. Strange how such a short statement and description can impact your immediate impression of a character. Makes me laugh though when her bow is described as a fly sitting on her toadlike face.
Lucious Malfoy being on hand and influencing the Ministry on Voldemorts behalf was not subtle, but hinted at things to come and the ease at which the Death Eaters will penetrate the wizarding world.
Also, the trial being held in the full court and the chaining chair was a partial set up to the later pensieve scenes. The description of that gave me the willies right away also and set the tone for how serious those earlier trials were. I only remember reading a scene or two where it was in use (Bagman and Karkarov) and it seemed a rather intimidating way to hold the trials. Suppose that was the point back then with the paranoia around suspected Death Eaters and the overzealous Aurors / Wizengamot. Was it used in the younger Crouch trial? I didn't think it was.
Dumbledore owned the Ministry here too and let Umbridge play right into his hands. Ironic that she was the one challenging him on the Ministry sending the Dementors when she sent them, without orders, on the Ministry's behalf. This is the first direct time that he visibly ignores Harry and it still strikes me as the exact opposite way he should have handled Harry (as discussed above).
The Weasley's are probably one of my favorite things about the book. Their interfamily relations are fun to read, funny at times, and heart wrenching at times. The last few chapters result in some humor from the Twins and Ginny (who seems to share a similar attitude with Fred and George). I was struck this time, that there are sometimes small groups within the kids. The Twins and Ginny seem to be one here, Bill and Charlie are one, out on their own, and Ron and Percy seem to get lumped together quite a bit. The Twins are kind of a social lubricant between them all and take the brunt of the heat from Mrs. Weasley.
It really is a shame about Percy's rift with the family and that he lets ambition get in the way of that relationship. I feel for Mrs. Weasley and the break down with the boggart. With everything they're going through, it's not really surprising that she'd react that way. I don't know that I'd call it purposeful foreshadowing, since it cycled through the entire family, but it does come to mind during the battle at Hogwarts in Deathly Hallows.
This message last edited by StormCrow on 27/09/2010 at 01:47:07 PM
The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Five - The Order of the Phoenix
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Monday 13 September: chapters 1-3 - Dementors, owls and a daring rescue. *NM*
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New characters and characters old.
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Re: New characters and characters old.
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Going to try to be succinct here and not get into endless back-and-forths... we'll see.
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News / Petunia / Snape / Tonks
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Having trouble with quotes?
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If you are having trouble with quotes, you can set it up so it always does the paragraphs thing.
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I know
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It wasn't you I was talking to.
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Then why did you reply to me?
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To subtly point out that if you were going to make that remark, you could also have given the tip.
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Thanks, that was driving me nuts and I had to actually get back to work...
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Re: Thanks, that was driving me nuts and I had to actually get back to work...
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You were just showing off with your reply weren't you? Segmenting the quotes like that.
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Re: You were just showing off with your reply weren't you? Segmenting the quotes like that.
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A question around that.
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Re: A question around that.
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Yeah, maybe my timing is off there. No biggie, in the grand scheme of things.
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After the end of OotP, it's widely known he's back.
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I think I remember now
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I was thinking there were some smaller attacks / break ins that got similar treatment here.
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Re: New characters and characters old.
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The Dursleys.
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise when you say it like that).
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Other stuff.
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two questions.
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Answers
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Surprisingly many hilarious little things for a book that's gonna be as dark as this one.
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That is why I love it so much.
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Re: That is why I love it so much.
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Re: That is why I love it so much.
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He's incredibly blind, our Harry.
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I don't find it annoying, really.
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Wednesday 15 September: chapters 4-6 *NM*
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Characters: still interesting? *NM*
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Yes
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You write your posts out in Word and then copypaste them? Why?
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No. I don't even have Word.
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Sirius and Sirius' mother.
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Plot: how's that coming along? *NM*
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tragically?
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Re: tragically?
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Re: tragically?
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Yes. And the one who will get the fantastic line at the end of the book. *NM*
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I have forgotten that
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Well, it may not be that fantastic, but it's pretty amusing.
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Oh I thought you were talking about the one where he tells the Minister
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Re: tragically?
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Other things: ? *NM*
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Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Re: Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Re: Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Friday 17 September: The Ministry of Magic, Harry's Hearing, and that thing with Mrs Weasley
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The plot thickens.
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A few thoughts
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Re: A few thoughts
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Re: A few thoughts
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Lots of things happening in here that come back up in future books
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Re: Lots of things happening in here that comes back up in future books
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Timing messed up again.
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Re: Timing messed up again.
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Well...
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Re: Well...
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It's like those old chip commercials. It's hard to just read one.
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Character development.
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Mrs. Weasley
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Agree here, but I can understand why she's cracking up a bit.
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Don't know if you noticed it, but the death of her brothers is actually mentioned here.
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That's a good catch. I remember reading it, but don't think I connected it back to the Weasleys.
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I don't know how I missed it.
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I believe we never get her maiden name in the series itself - it's from some family tree or the like
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Are you sure?
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No. I could be wrong. But I wouldn't know where to look for it, if so.
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According to the HP Wiki at Wikia, there should be a more explicit mention of it in book seven. *NM*
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Mr. Weasley
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He is lovely.
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His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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Re: His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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Re: His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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It's cheesy. *NM*
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Yeah, kind of cheesy, but I still enjoyed it. Should we table this for the DH reread? *NM*
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Other things of note.
17/09/2010 12:07:33 PM
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Monday 20 September: chapters 10-12 ~ Back to school *NM*
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Characters: Luna, Umbridge and the Sorting Hat *NM*
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Draco, Ginny, Luna, Neville, Harry, Umbridge and McGonnagall
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I think McGonagall kind of fails there.
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Maybe she doesn't realize all that, but really, how much effort does it take to be clear?
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Re: Maybe she doesn't realize all that, but really, how much effort does it take to be clear?
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Oh, I think it is.
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Weasley goodness.
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Plot: things you've noticed. *NM*
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Not much in these chapters
20/09/2010 03:45:55 PM
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Oh, there's more than that.
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I remembered now: Barty Crouch Junior.
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I did not get that from the passage
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Hmm.
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Re: Hmm.
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Oh yes: Assyria is a wizarding country.
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Yes
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Because that's the only modern meaning of "Assyrian".
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Re: Because that's the only modern meaning of "Assyrian".
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Who knows?
Don't think we've seen much discussion of religion in the wizarding world. *NM*
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On their broomsticks, obviously
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In that part of the world I understand they use flying carpets, actually.
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Wasn't there a mention of someone trying to smuggle flying carpets into England?
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Anything else? *NM*
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Thestrals & Hufflepuff
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Wednesday 22 September: chapters 13-15 ~ School gets interesting.
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Character development: how are our three main characters getting along?
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Dumbledore, Umbridge, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Harry, Percy ad McGonnagall.
22/09/2010 12:49:12 PM
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Some interesting developments, I thought.
22/09/2010 01:57:42 PM
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Re: Some interesting developments, I thought. Edited
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Dumbledore, this really bugs me
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Plot progression, and continuing themes.
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Action and reaction
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Re: Action and reaction
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Any other comments?
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Friday 24 September: chapters 16-18 ~ Dumbledore's Army
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Le plot.
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Reaction -- the forming of the DA
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Anything else?
24/09/2010 05:07:10 PM
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Monday 27 September: chapters 19-21 ~ Quidditch, Hagrid and thestrals.
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Les Characters
27/09/2010 07:57:17 AM
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Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry
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Plot - are we happy with what's happening?
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Definitely some things of note!
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Re: Definitely some things of note!
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Any other thoughts?
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Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants
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Wednesday 29 September: chapters 22-24
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Characters and characterisation *NM*
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High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Plotting and plot continuity *NM*
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Other things of note. *NM*
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Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's.
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Hermione is apparently smarter than J.K. Rowling. Or maybe just Harry. Hard to tell.
30/09/2010 03:47:22 AM
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The fact that she has Hermione use the right term points to a subtle distinction.
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Friday 1 October: chapters 25-27 - Sorry I'm late.
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The characters: development, actions, etc. *NM*
02/10/2010 11:25:09 AM
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Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore
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Plot/action: getting exciting? *NM*
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Beginning of the end
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Other things. *NM*
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The way reactions are given, and an observation about occlumency.
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The least important of your points...
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Monday 4 October: chapters 28-30 - bad memories, dramatic exits, and large brothers.
13/09/2010 09:32:03 PM
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Characters: James, Sirius, Lily, Snape, Umbridge, Fred, George, Hagrid, Grawp
04/10/2010 06:31:44 PM
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The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall.
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Plotting and themes.
04/10/2010 06:32:16 PM
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family and bigotry
04/10/2010 07:41:22 PM
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Anything else?
04/10/2010 06:32:43 PM
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portaits
04/10/2010 07:41:49 PM
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Wednesday 6 October: chapters 31-33 - OWLs, fights and other such hijinks.
13/09/2010 09:32:40 PM
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Characters - so many to deal with.
06/10/2010 08:13:36 PM
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Ron, Neville, Harry, Hermione, McGonagall, Professor Tofty, Snape, Umbridge and the second trio.
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Plot! Theme and Action!
06/10/2010 08:14:21 PM
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The trap is set
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Friday 8 October: chapters 34-36 - The big fight and the big farewell.
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Characters: Death Eaters, Order of the Phoenix, and the children.
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Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin
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Action. And more action.
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I'm wondering what would have happened...
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Re: I'm wondering what would have happened...
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Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn)
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Monday 11 October: chapters 37-38 ~ The end of innocence?
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How are our characters left?
11/10/2010 05:25:39 PM
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Phineas, Dumbledore, Voldemort, Fudge, McGonagall, Harry, Ron and Moody
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Any other thoughts?
11/10/2010 05:27:17 PM
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General comments.
13/09/2010 09:36:13 PM
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Suggestions for the re-read.
13/09/2010 09:36:56 PM
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Your links don't work
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Fixed. *NM*
14/09/2010 10:46:08 AM
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And fixed the links in the other ones, too - don't bother searching for new posts, there aren't any. *NM*
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Do we need to have another break?
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But now I want to keep reading them. </whine>
29/09/2010 04:02:57 AM
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Will probably just have a little break - i.e. wait till the following Monday to start.
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