Rowling gets experimental with her writing here, and it seems to be in due to the focalisation through Harry. There is an astonishing use of ellipses during the fight. It also shows up in Voldemort's way of talking. I am not sure what to make of it. I think it makes the scene more disjointed (which fits), but I cannot put my finger on why. Maybe it is an attempt to express Harry's confusion and shock.
I would imagine so. Voldemort's own ellipses are just him building up tension and enjoying the sound of his own voice, though, I'd say. But in the descriptions, yeah - that and describing in details thoughts or events that take split seconds.
Yes, it is quite effective. But I am not sure it was a good idea to use the same device to demonstrate Voldemort's pauses. Hmm. Unless the signalling of them in that way is due to Harry's hyper-alertness at this point, which makes sense, I suppose.
More importantly, there is the ``gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes''. I don't remember the relevance of this in future books, but I am sure there is something. I can feel it just outside my field of vision.
It has to do with the Horcruxes and with Harry's returning from the dead in book seven, but I don't remember the details either.
Yes. I feel that there is something unsatisfying about that explanation. We'll have to see when we get to it.
The dementor. Was it acting on order when it killed Crouch? Voldemort's orders? Or did it just recognise him as legitimate prey?
If it did act on orders, the orders must've been Fudge's, not Voldemort's. Voldemort will get control of the dementors soon, but not just yet. Fudge, on the other hand, evidently doesn't much regret what happened. It's not really clear if we're supposed to infer that it may not have been an accident.
I cannot quite see Fudge as being devious enough to order it as a cover-up, but he might have ordered it as a precaution for his own safety.
We also get Fudge's threat to interfere at Hogwarts, which is the main part of the following book.
Yeah. I wonder if Dumbledore was wise to do as he did. He seems to throw caution to the winds and try to bully Fudge into doing what has to be done, after he sees his star has fallen too far to get it done with more subtle means. The result is that Fudge not merely fails to act against Voldemort, but also gets resentful and tries to actively undermine Dumbledore. It seems like a big gamble... but perhaps it was worth making the gamble. Dumbledore is confident Fudge can't really cause him serious trouble, and thinks it's worth risking that for the small chance that he can still convince him. Really shouldn't have happened in front of an audience, though.
Yes.
And, shock of shocks, Harry is right about Snape going to spy on Voldemort. Cue fainting fits from all readers. I think this was actually used in an argument as proof that Snape must be evil.
*lol* Even a broken clock is right twice a day?
Yes. Harry is right somewhat less often
Twice a year?
I also like how Harry gives his winnings to the twins. I wonder whether that moment is the whole reason why we had to endure the Bagman/twins plotline. To provide a good place for Harry to get rid of his winnings.
Hm, I don't know, I think Rowling's been planning the store thing for a while... and even with the twins' obvious financial acumen, that requires some serious starting funds to be realistic. Without the whole Bagman plotline they wouldn't have had enough money, either.
Hmmm. Maybe.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Four Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
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Chapters 1-3: A different beginning
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Early characters
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Early plotting.
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It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books)
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Re: Early plotting.
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Any other comments/observations
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Mob mentality and British euroscepticism.
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people in groups and baffling violence. And the godawful recaps
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Yeah, I agree about the recaps, they're pointless at this point. *NM*
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Good news! HP really caught on after this book and so the last books don't have a recap! *NM*
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Chapters 4-6 - The Weasleys
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Characters - a few new ones
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Also on the topic of Amos' talk of Cedric and Harry... (spoilers for end of book)
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Oh, I can think of a few more things that will prove relevant. But that's for tomorrow. *NM*
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And arguably another one of those fun names with a hidden meaning...
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Plotting - anything of note?
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The Lovegoods? This is why reading in translation can be annoying...
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I thought that might be it. Yeah, different names in the Dutch translation then. *NM*
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Any other comments/observations.
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Chapters 7-9 - The Quidditch World Cup and Death Eaters
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Characters: Ministers, Mothers, other important people.
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Plotting
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Other stuff.
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Krum Catching the Snitch
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It makes a certain amount of sense, I think...
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Clothes and other schools
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There's a first mention of Beauxbatons in chapter nine.
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Chapters 10-12: Back to Hogwarts and the Tri-Wizard Tournament. *NM*
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Characters: introducing Rita Skeeter and Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody. *NM*
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Any other comments, observations or revelations? *NM*
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There was that Durmstrang reference I was waiting for.
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Chapters 13-15: First lessons, and the arrival of the foreign guests *NM*
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Plotting and writing. *NM*
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that).
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Anything else to add? *NM*
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Yes. Five things, actually. Magic, Snape, idiocy, apparating while presumed guilty aaand evil films.
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Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it.
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Chapters 16-18: The Tri-Wizard Tournament begins *NM*
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Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry.
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The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series.
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Definitely true
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Plotting and writing.
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plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole
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Other comments, small details you noticed,...? *NM*
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House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter.
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I love the bouillabaisse thing.
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I associate blancmange more with Britain than with anywhere else...
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Re: I love the bouillabaisse thing.
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No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things.
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Hermione really comes into her own in this book.
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Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier...
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Chapters 19-21: The first task and House-Elves at Hogwarts *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Moody, Dobby and Winky,...
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The trio, Neville and the House-elves.
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Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts.
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Plotting and writing: the first task and other events *NM*
23/08/2010 10:41:20 AM
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Good plotting in this section
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Anything else you want to comment on? *NM*
23/08/2010 10:41:39 AM
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I love that there is a book called Men Who Love Dragons Too Much. *NM*
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Chapters 22-24: The - rather eventful - Yule Ball *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Champions and their dates, Karkarov, Hagrid and Olympe,...
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Ron and Hermione, mainly.
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Makes sense.
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Re: Makes sense.
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Plotting and writing: a bit of a lull in the tension, perhaps, but there's still a lot going on. *NM*
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Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath
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Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM*
24/08/2010 11:12:33 AM
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Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook.
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Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius.
24/08/2010 02:23:37 PM
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Lasso comment?
24/08/2010 04:20:35 PM
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When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang.
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Ah. Hehe. Yes.
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It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator.
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Holy crap.
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Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative...
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Chapters 25-27: The second task and Padfoot's return
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Fleur, Sirius,... *NM*
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Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius.
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I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions
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Agreed. Snape is one of the most fascinating characters I have ever read
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Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight.
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Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM*
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Merpeople and the second task.
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And something else I never understood about the second task
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That's a good point, yeah...
25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM
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Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol
25/08/2010 03:57:48 PM
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Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
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Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
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Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
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Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
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Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
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Marauder's Map.
05/09/2010 05:27:17 AM
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Other comments. *NM*
25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM
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Two completely unrelated things.
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Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM*
26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM
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Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville
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Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM*
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Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues.
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Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues.
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Chapters 31-33: The third task
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM*
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Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel
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Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM*
27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM
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Stuff happens.
27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM
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Riddle Family.
05/09/2010 05:39:29 AM
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Anything else to add? *NM*
27/08/2010 01:34:39 PM
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Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM*
16/08/2010 09:38:22 AM
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Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM*
28/08/2010 11:04:41 AM
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Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione
28/08/2010 11:57:25 AM
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Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM*
28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM
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Revelations and then some
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Re: Revelations and then some
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Re: Revelations and then some
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Any other thoughts? *NM*
28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM
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Two questions and one other thing.
28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM
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The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations
16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM
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What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book?
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I think she has more room to display her talent in this book.
28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM
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Suggestions for the re-read.
16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM
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Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing?
17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM
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When should we start the next book? And at which pace?
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