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Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/08/2010 03:38:53 PM
The Crouch/Moody enigma is getting very tightly packed. Winky informs us that she is not only doing homework for her master, but also secret stuff. And Harry meets Crouch in the forest. I cannot quite make out what ``You are not his means (is he referring to Karkaroff? Voldemort?), but the rest of the scene is riddled with very strong clues in retrospect. He keeps mentioning his son and wife. And Moody shows up at the scene in very short time with a dubious explanation of Snape telling him.

Voldemort, presumably, yeah... and indeed, even more info to figure things out with. But Sirius' apparently factual mention of Junior being dead makes it very hard to guess everything.
Moreover, the fact that the bad guy was probably only a few feet from Harry (as Sirius, and then Harry point out) and didn't kill him, is a big clue. Hermione's explanation that it wouldn't look like an accident is very thin: the Goblet entry sure doesn't.

Yeah. Surely it should be clear by now than plain killing is not the goal.
We are given the indication that Wormtail has been in charge of Crouch. The dream sequence bugs me a little, however. I suppose it could be argued that Voldemort possesses the bird (or some animal sitting on top of the bird?), but that is not how Harry describes it later on (he says the owl was bringing a letter). Taken together with the first chapter, this indicates that Rowling has not quite worked out how the Voldemort/Harry link works yet.

Indeed, it doesn't really work the same way as on later occasions.
And finally there is the pensive (which will play quite a major part in later books), with not only Karkaroff's testimony (Snape is confirmed as a former death eater, and that part of the enigmas in this book at least is resolved), but also Bagman's (revealing what Rita knew about him, and indicating that he may not be just the cheerful sports guy that he presents himself as -- the trial is shown as being the worst case celebrity trial). I love how Crouch says ``the day Ludo Bagman joins us will be a very sad day for the Ministry''. And of course, the main bit, the trial of Crouch's son where we get the first glimpse of the Lestranges and the explanation for Neville's reaction to the cruciatus curse. And of course the main baddie, who does not seem like one at all.

That's perhaps my main problem with this book. Barty Junior goes into Azkaban as a frightened, panicking boy and comes out a cold-blooded, quick-thinking and highly competent Death Eater - arguably the most competent we see anywhere in the series? Azkaban may make one tougher in a way, as with Sirius, but Barty Junior's transformation is really strange.

Ravenwood will also be relevant again later on, since he works at Mystification.
The Bagman enigma also gets a major hint when we are told Leprechaun gold disappears. At this point is it should actually be possible to work out the twins/bagman plot, I think.

Yeah, it should be fairly obvious really... at least that they didn't get the gold he owed them, and that that's what the "blackmail" is about. It's a bit strange that Ron, for all his "they only think about money now" speech, doesn't comment on how evidently Fred and George don't seem to have the very sizeable sum - in the hundreds of Galleons at the very least, surely - they were supposed to have gotten from Bagman.
The Rita Skeeter plot picks up some steam, with Hermione promising to ``get her back'' and the idea that she might be ``bugging'' them. That is another of Rowling's finer moments. I like her play with words.

I was gonna ask you how it worked in the English version. And yes, we didn't comment on it in the previous section, but Krum's mention of the beetle in Hermione's hair was of course a big clue.
The twins are painted as potentially gone to the bad. I never really bought it, and I think this is one of the reasons I have issues with this book.

Yeah, it's fairly silly. And Ron's not exactly in a position to complain about them thinking so much about money, considering how annoyed he gets about the leprechaun gold thing...
The theme of bigotry shows up again in Fudge's suggestion that Madame Maxime has done away with (eaten?) Crouch. Dumbledore's dismissal of it is quite lovely, but it paints quite a strong image of mainstream wizard ideas when the minister for magic can say something like that (of course, it doesn't help when the minister is a moron).

Yeah, it's really all over when you start looking for it... and Fudge's tendency of looking for easy victims to blame things on so as to keep the press off his back is shown. Or the Ministry in general, really - Scrimgeour will do it too.
Nifflers are introduced. They play some part in the next book. Of course, there is no way of telling whether this is a planned introduction or rather Rowling reaching back to earlier material to build on it. But that is true for most of the bookspanning pre-introductions.

Yeah. It's good that she tries to not use magical dei ex machinis, though, and announces her magical plot devices beforehand.
We also get the first use of the patronus to alert someone when Dumbledore calls for Hagrid.

Do we ever actually find out what patronus Dumbledore has?
A question, however: right at the end, was Dumbledore going to say something else? He only wishes him good luck, but I cannot shake the feeling that the pause is significant.

You may be right, but what? "Oh, by the way, you'll have to be the one to kill him"? Surely it can't be the big thing, but I'm not sure what smaller thing he could have said... though he clearly knows more than Harry about the plot at this point.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Four Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:28:48 AM 4016 Views
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Something you just said there.... nossy - 16/08/2010 06:03:53 PM 1871 Views
Re: Early characters Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:02:23 AM 2105 Views
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Re: Re. Pigwidgeon. Camilla - 16/08/2010 03:27:39 PM 1877 Views
Re: Early characters Mossman - 17/08/2010 01:23:59 AM 1980 Views
I like your explaination of why Voldemort calls Peter Wormtail Seriana Sedai - 17/08/2010 07:49:22 PM 1878 Views
Early plotting. Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:32:52 AM 1813 Views
That first chapter works very well, I think. Legolas - 16/08/2010 10:20:48 AM 1850 Views
Re: That first chapter works very well, I think. Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:19:10 AM 1910 Views
Re: That first chapter works very well, I think. Mossman - 17/08/2010 12:49:42 AM 1944 Views
Re: Early plotting. Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:02:09 AM 1919 Views
It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books) Legolas - 16/08/2010 11:38:14 AM 1921 Views
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Re: It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books) Legolas - 16/08/2010 12:16:16 PM 2144 Views
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Re: Early plotting. Mossman - 17/08/2010 01:15:43 AM 1795 Views
No, it does. Legolas - 17/08/2010 01:24:16 AM 1787 Views
Re: No, it does. Mossman - 17/08/2010 01:45:00 AM 1876 Views
Re: Early plotting. Camilla - 17/08/2010 11:22:57 AM 1815 Views
Any other comments/observations Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:33:34 AM 1725 Views
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people in groups and baffling violence. And the godawful recaps Camilla - 16/08/2010 11:03:09 AM 1848 Views
Yeah, I agree about the recaps, they're pointless at this point. *NM* Legolas - 16/08/2010 11:17:37 AM 1045 Views
Good news! HP really caught on after this book and so the last books don't have a recap! *NM* Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 03:27:24 PM 1013 Views
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Characters - a few new ones Rebekah - 17/08/2010 08:22:33 AM 1833 Views
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Amos annoyed me too. Seriana Sedai - 18/08/2010 08:29:56 PM 1792 Views
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Oh, I can think of a few more things that will prove relevant. But that's for tomorrow. *NM* Legolas - 17/08/2010 12:51:50 PM 1014 Views
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I thought that might be it. Yeah, different names in the Dutch translation then. *NM* Legolas - 17/08/2010 12:40:45 PM 962 Views
That must be annoying Camilla - 17/08/2010 12:42:12 PM 1816 Views
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Cars Camilla - 17/08/2010 11:11:18 AM 2035 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 18/08/2010 12:40:48 AM 1801 Views
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Mr Weasley is a darling. Rebekah - 18/08/2010 12:47:13 AM 1766 Views
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A lot of pent-up anger there, I sense *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2010 09:24:51 AM 1734 Views
Nice list, yeah. Legolas - 19/08/2010 10:51:07 AM 1846 Views
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Re: There's a first mention of Beauxbatons in chapter nine. Legolas - 18/08/2010 02:08:28 PM 1832 Views
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Characters: introducing Rita Skeeter and Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody. *NM* Legolas - 19/08/2010 11:21:29 AM 984 Views
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Re: Skeeter, Moody and more Weasleys. Camilla - 19/08/2010 05:46:27 PM 1699 Views
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Re: Plotting and writing. Camilla - 19/08/2010 05:23:37 PM 1744 Views
Any other comments, observations or revelations? *NM* Legolas - 19/08/2010 11:23:48 AM 971 Views
There was that Durmstrang reference I was waiting for. Legolas - 19/08/2010 04:23:16 PM 1925 Views
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Vampire. Only meet one I think, in a later book. StormCrow - 23/08/2010 02:51:51 PM 1852 Views
Oh yes! Camilla - 23/08/2010 02:58:03 PM 1743 Views
So. Sport and numbers. Rebekah - 19/08/2010 06:35:29 PM 1750 Views
Re: So. Sport and numbers. Camilla - 19/08/2010 06:39:12 PM 1821 Views
It doesn't matter, no. Legolas - 19/08/2010 11:33:04 PM 1885 Views
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Moody is really well done. Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:15:55 PM 1946 Views
Agreed. Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:25:45 PM 1927 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 11:51:43 AM 958 Views
Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that). Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:04:01 PM 1790 Views
Re: Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that). Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:55:29 PM 1936 Views
Re: Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that). Camilla - 20/08/2010 02:04:07 PM 2033 Views
I just realised Camilla - 20/08/2010 11:51:20 PM 1753 Views
Anything else to add? *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 11:52:05 AM 849 Views
Yes. Five things, actually. Magic, Snape, idiocy, apparating while presumed guilty aaand evil films. Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:05:06 PM 1771 Views
Re: Yes. Five things, actually. Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:27:27 PM 1805 Views
Re: Yes. Five things, actually. Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:35:12 PM 1742 Views
Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it. Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:46:09 PM 1822 Views
Re: Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it. Camilla - 20/08/2010 01:56:53 PM 1977 Views
Oh, and one more thing... Legolas - 20/08/2010 01:57:20 PM 1787 Views
Re: Oh, and one more thing... Camilla - 20/08/2010 02:08:50 PM 1775 Views
Unforgiveable Curses and Owls Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:09:26 AM 1873 Views
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Characters: The Champions, Hagrid, Karkarov, and of course Rita Skeeter in person *NM* Legolas - 21/08/2010 01:10:53 PM 969 Views
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Re: Karkaroff, Moody, Fleur, Krum, Ron, Hermione, Snape and Rita Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:06:43 PM 2052 Views
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Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:31:49 PM 1946 Views
Re: Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry. Camilla - 21/08/2010 05:41:44 PM 1880 Views
The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series. StormCrow - 23/08/2010 09:20:18 PM 1759 Views
Re: The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series. Camilla - 23/08/2010 09:22:26 PM 1943 Views
Definitely true StormCrow - 23/08/2010 10:02:46 PM 2012 Views
Re: Definitely true Camilla - 24/08/2010 06:20:53 PM 2068 Views
Well, perhaps dues ex machina is a bit too much. StormCrow - 25/08/2010 01:06:27 AM 2035 Views
Re: Well, perhaps dues ex machina is a bit too much. Seriana Sedai - 25/08/2010 06:01:32 AM 1769 Views
Plotting and writing. Legolas - 21/08/2010 01:12:24 PM 2076 Views
plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole Camilla - 21/08/2010 01:39:10 PM 1816 Views
Re: plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole Legolas - 21/08/2010 04:30:20 PM 1989 Views
Re: plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole Camilla - 21/08/2010 04:35:22 PM 2059 Views
Other comments, small details you noticed,...? *NM* Legolas - 21/08/2010 01:12:53 PM 961 Views
House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter. Camilla - 21/08/2010 01:35:38 PM 2092 Views
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Re: House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter. Camilla - 21/08/2010 04:59:55 PM 2028 Views
I don't know what you're talking about. Rebekah - 21/08/2010 05:05:28 PM 1897 Views
Re: I don't know what you're talking about. Camilla - 21/08/2010 05:16:18 PM 1955 Views
Re: House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:11:11 AM 1867 Views
I love the bouillabaisse thing. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:02:47 PM 1989 Views
Re: I love the bouillabaisse thing. Rebekah - 21/08/2010 05:08:40 PM 2029 Views
I associate blancmange more with Britain than with anywhere else... Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:26:17 PM 1867 Views
Re: I love the bouillabaisse thing. Camilla - 21/08/2010 05:12:54 PM 1735 Views
No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things. Legolas - 21/08/2010 05:24:50 PM 1706 Views
Re: No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things. Camilla - 21/08/2010 05:39:06 PM 2079 Views
Hermione really comes into her own in this book. Rebekah - 27/08/2010 11:30:38 PM 1649 Views
Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier... Legolas - 27/08/2010 11:36:20 PM 1808 Views
Re: Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier... Camilla - 27/08/2010 11:48:19 PM 1831 Views
Indeed Camilla - 27/08/2010 11:46:44 PM 2010 Views
Chapters 19-21: The first task and House-Elves at Hogwarts *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:35:53 AM 959 Views
Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Moody, Dobby and Winky,... Legolas - 23/08/2010 10:40:21 AM 1776 Views
The trio, Neville and the House-elves. Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:07:50 AM 1784 Views
Re: The trio, Neville and the House-elves. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:35:56 AM 1880 Views
Re: The trio, Neville and the House-elves. Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:44:08 AM 2069 Views
Re: The trio, Neville and the House-elves. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:54:31 AM 1740 Views
Re: The trio, Neville and the House-elves. Camilla - 23/08/2010 12:07:24 PM 2018 Views
Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:19:21 AM 1711 Views
Re: Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:56:37 AM 1865 Views
Re: Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Legolas - 23/08/2010 01:58:39 PM 1727 Views
Re: Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Camilla - 23/08/2010 02:08:53 PM 1762 Views
Plotting and writing: the first task and other events *NM* Legolas - 23/08/2010 10:41:20 AM 973 Views
Good plotting in this section Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:08:50 AM 1881 Views
Yeah, definitely. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:46:46 AM 1871 Views
Re: Yeah, definitely. Camilla - 23/08/2010 12:04:55 PM 1769 Views
Anything else you want to comment on? *NM* Legolas - 23/08/2010 10:41:39 AM 933 Views
I love that there is a book called Men Who Love Dragons Too Much. *NM* Camilla - 23/08/2010 11:09:15 AM 866 Views
Harry and Ron's fight is properly annoying. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:58:59 PM 2503 Views
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Characters: The Trio, Champions and their dates, Karkarov, Hagrid and Olympe,... Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:09:33 AM 1973 Views
Ron and Hermione, mainly. Camilla - 24/08/2010 11:47:49 AM 2057 Views
Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 01:15:37 PM 1766 Views
Re: Makes sense. Camilla - 24/08/2010 03:53:20 PM 1763 Views
Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 05:00:59 PM 1868 Views
Re: Makes sense. Camilla - 24/08/2010 05:19:34 PM 1950 Views
Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 25/08/2010 12:15:12 AM 1944 Views
Fred and George. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:30:22 PM 1881 Views
Re: Fred and George. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:17:10 PM 1972 Views
Plotting and writing: a bit of a lull in the tension, perhaps, but there's still a lot going on. *NM* Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:11:49 AM 1022 Views
Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Camilla - 24/08/2010 11:48:30 AM 1964 Views
Re: Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:18:04 PM 1784 Views
Re: Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:13:57 PM 1824 Views
Re: Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:33:14 PM 1857 Views
Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM* Legolas - 24/08/2010 11:12:33 AM 1024 Views
Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook. Camilla - 24/08/2010 11:49:16 AM 1939 Views
Re: Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:27:51 PM 1831 Views
Re: Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:15:15 PM 1889 Views
Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius. Legolas - 24/08/2010 02:23:37 PM 1833 Views
Lasso comment? Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:20:35 PM 1838 Views
When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:27:47 PM 1841 Views
Ah. Hehe. Yes. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:30:34 PM 1915 Views
It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:45:34 PM 1988 Views
Re: It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Camilla - 24/08/2010 04:48:50 PM 1868 Views
Holy crap. Elaine - 25/08/2010 02:44:57 PM 1783 Views
Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative... Legolas - 25/08/2010 03:06:25 PM 1916 Views
Don't care, I choose to believe Elaine - 25/08/2010 03:21:37 PM 1773 Views
You may be disappointed when trying to buy one, then. Legolas - 25/08/2010 04:23:57 PM 2007 Views
Chapters 25-27: The second task and Padfoot's return Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:36:55 AM 1812 Views
Characters: The Trio, Krum, Fleur, Sirius,... *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:18:49 AM 913 Views
Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:31:18 PM 1742 Views
I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:41:43 PM 1990 Views
Re: I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:45:30 PM 1774 Views
Agreed. Snape is one of the most fascinating characters I have ever read Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:57:12 PM 1853 Views
Re: Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:44:34 AM 1946 Views
Re: Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius. Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:51:21 AM 1772 Views
Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:54:11 AM 1678 Views
Re: Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:21:59 AM 1805 Views
Makes more sense now. Seriana Sedai - 28/08/2010 05:00:26 AM 1749 Views
Re: Makes more sense now. Camilla - 28/08/2010 09:28:07 AM 1806 Views
Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:19:47 AM 962 Views
Merpeople and the second task. Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:34:40 AM 1863 Views
And something else I never understood about the second task Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 02:32:51 PM 1866 Views
That's a good point, yeah... Legolas - 25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM 1759 Views
Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 03:57:48 PM 1817 Views
Re: That's a good point, yeah... Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:39:48 PM 1749 Views
Re: Merpeople and the second task. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:38:55 PM 1741 Views
Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:23:30 PM 1808 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Deadsy - 25/08/2010 05:40:39 PM 1870 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:52 PM 1762 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:09:20 AM 1772 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:17:36 AM 1919 Views
Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:27:17 AM 1808 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:09:48 AM 2002 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:44:16 PM 1827 Views
Other comments. *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM 939 Views
Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:24:26 PM 1877 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:36:29 PM 1841 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:20 PM 1953 Views
Need a cough drop dear? Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:53:26 PM 1829 Views
Re: Need a cough drop dear? Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:55:41 PM 1815 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:13:07 AM 1918 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:18:42 AM 1788 Views
Second task. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:30:01 AM 1848 Views
Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:37:22 AM 890 Views
Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM 974 Views
Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:48:04 PM 1824 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:22:14 PM 1821 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:45:58 PM 1831 Views
Also Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:45:57 PM 1878 Views
Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:16:50 PM 945 Views
Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:50:29 PM 1827 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:38:53 PM 2055 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:51:32 PM 1871 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 04:05:12 PM 1818 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 04:09:12 PM 1856 Views
Yes. Elaine - 27/08/2010 02:02:22 PM 1809 Views
Everything else. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:17:07 PM 945 Views
My favourite category. Two things this time Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:51:16 PM 1707 Views
More owl comments. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:35:49 AM 1813 Views
Chapters 31-33: The third task Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:01 AM 1757 Views
Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:32:11 PM 985 Views
Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:03 PM 1728 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:09:48 PM 1719 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:23:14 PM 1786 Views
It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:01:19 PM 1825 Views
Re: It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:06:34 PM 1912 Views
Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM 947 Views
Stuff happens. Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM 1768 Views
So it does. Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:42:40 PM 1884 Views
Re: So it does. Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:55:33 PM 1806 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:48:41 AM 1901 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:08:49 AM 1804 Views
Riddle Family. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 1781 Views
No. The three dead bodies are... Legolas - 05/09/2010 12:19:48 PM 1893 Views
Re: No. The three dead bodies are... Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:46:26 PM 1896 Views
Anything else to add? *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:39 PM 935 Views
Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:58 PM 1945 Views
Re: Naturally Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:06:59 PM 1636 Views
Re: Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:11:26 PM 2096 Views
Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:22 AM 926 Views
Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:04:41 AM 950 Views
Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:57:25 AM 1851 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:00:49 PM 1778 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:11:25 PM 2120 Views
Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM 925 Views
Revelations and then some Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM 1805 Views
The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Dark Knight - 28/08/2010 11:26:30 PM 2165 Views
Re: The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:28:35 PM 2030 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:22:46 PM 1778 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:37:45 PM 1907 Views
Any other thoughts? *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM 965 Views
Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM 1914 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:27:02 PM 2115 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:31:43 PM 1815 Views
The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM 1828 Views
What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book? Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:40:03 AM 1843 Views
I think she has more room to display her talent in this book. Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM 1919 Views
I am not sure that is a good thing Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:17:56 PM 1859 Views
Re: I am not sure that is a good thing Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:00:29 PM 1952 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM 1968 Views
Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing? StormCrow - 17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM 1808 Views
Well. Yes. Rebekah - 17/08/2010 06:22:10 PM 1857 Views
Ah! That really helps me too! aria - 17/08/2010 08:00:30 PM 1839 Views
Works for me too. Thanks for the tip! *NM* StormCrow - 17/08/2010 08:13:48 PM 949 Views
When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:09:07 AM 2077 Views
Re: When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:05:31 PM 2055 Views
School started and that threw me off. aria - 30/08/2010 09:01:31 PM 1881 Views
Mine was school as well. Seriana Sedai - 01/09/2010 05:33:24 AM 1899 Views
I just haven't checked the messageboards at all recently. Cockatiel of Doom - 03/09/2010 03:28:20 AM 1892 Views
That would be good Camilla - 03/09/2010 08:19:49 AM 1792 Views
I like that idea. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:55:49 PM 1839 Views
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