Well, she is Mrs Weasley's daughter...
Oh, don't remind me. I know a lot of people love that "Not my daughter, bitch!" line in the climax of book seven, but I just find it corny. And somewhat unbelievable. Er, although I'm guessing you didn't mean to remind me of that. Still.

I quite like that bit, now you remind me of it.

I hadn't thought of that (I didn't remember Bill being resistant to it), but that would make a lot of sense. She fits into the Krum & Harry tendency, then, of wanting to be loved for something other than X (here being Veela powers).
I don't remember Bill being particular resistant to it, either, it's just a theory that I made up on the spot. We'll have to see if it holds up. Evidently she's still having fun with her Veela powers now, though, because I can't see why else she'd have used them so copiously on the Ravenclaw guy. Unless perhaps she just can't control it very well - or doesn't know how to approach guys without it. Not enough evidence to draw many conclusions, then, I suppose.
Well, she is a teenager, too. It is hard to realise because Harry is younger than her, and she therefore seems grown-up. But she is only, what? 17?
Of course, if I recall book six correctly, there's one point where she actually literally asks Harry aloud who she should pick as boyfriend to annoy Ron the most. But that's two years later.
Hehe. I don't remember that. I quite look forward to it now.
Yes. I see Madame Maxime as developing quite a lot in that respect. But it is never shown explicitly. You have to piece it together yourself. Rowling's books are quite "writerly" in that respect (if you'll forgive me for dragging Barthes into this). He might not have agreed, because the plot is rather straight-forward, and the writing is anything but difficult to follow. But her characters leave a lot of work to the reader, and there is room to produce quite well-rounded characters with complex development if you take the time to read it closely.
Agreed. It might be a bit silly to analyze children's books in as much detail as we're doing, but the fact that we actually still find new things which help to fleshen out characters and clarify their motivations, proves that the books have a lot more depth than most people give them credit for. There are holes in the plot and particularly in the worldbuilding, but the characters for the most part work both on the surface level and on deeper levels.
Yes. If they allow themselves to be analyzed in this way, I see no reason not to do it.
Although there is a wonderful quote that I think Roh sent me ages ago, which defines a geek as someone ``trained by much immersion in the unreal to be able to see narrative realities''.
I think that is what much of this is about (and why a lot of people who are not accustomed to approach narrative in the same way are unable to see the interest in Harry Potter).
Hmm. Yes. Although Cedric suspected Harry was lying to him as well, when Harry first mentioned dragons. And hormones can cloud your judgement quite a bit.
That's true, but Cedric now has an obvious motivation - returning the favour - whereas he had to wonder at the time why Harry was helping him out of the blue. And even by hormonal teenager standards, I find Harry goes a bit far...
Yes. Far be it from me to defend Harry's teenage monsterness. I agree.
And yes. Although the comment about Aberforth seems to be well founded. Later on. It is interesting that none of Aberforths issues with Dumbledore and Dumbledore's regrert shines through yet. He is flippant about it. I suppose that is because he is good at focusing on the matter at hand.
Yeah... it seems a bit inappropriate to mock Aberforth the way he does, considering.
True. But it does show how he does not allow his own issues to come in the way of the task at hand: to convince Hagrid that all families have dark sides. The alternative way of doing that would be to present himself as the bad side, but that would defeat the object, I think.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Four Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
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Chapters 1-3: A different beginning
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Early characters
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Early plotting.
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It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books)
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Re: Early plotting.
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Any other comments/observations
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Mob mentality and British euroscepticism.
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people in groups and baffling violence. And the godawful recaps
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Yeah, I agree about the recaps, they're pointless at this point. *NM*
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Good news! HP really caught on after this book and so the last books don't have a recap! *NM*
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Chapters 4-6 - The Weasleys
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Characters - a few new ones
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Also on the topic of Amos' talk of Cedric and Harry... (spoilers for end of book)
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Oh, I can think of a few more things that will prove relevant. But that's for tomorrow.
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And arguably another one of those fun names with a hidden meaning...
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Plotting - anything of note?
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The Lovegoods? This is why reading in translation can be annoying...
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I thought that might be it. Yeah, different names in the Dutch translation then. *NM*
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Any other comments/observations.
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Chapters 7-9 - The Quidditch World Cup and Death Eaters
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Characters: Ministers, Mothers, other important people.
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Plotting
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Other stuff.
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Krum Catching the Snitch
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It makes a certain amount of sense, I think...
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Clothes and other schools
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There's a first mention of Beauxbatons in chapter nine.
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Chapters 10-12: Back to Hogwarts and the Tri-Wizard Tournament. *NM*
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Characters: introducing Rita Skeeter and Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody. *NM*
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Any other comments, observations or revelations? *NM*
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There was that Durmstrang reference I was waiting for.
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Chapters 13-15: First lessons, and the arrival of the foreign guests *NM*
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Plotting and writing. *NM*
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that).
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Anything else to add? *NM*
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Yes. Five things, actually. Magic, Snape, idiocy, apparating while presumed guilty aaand evil films.
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Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it.
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Chapters 16-18: The Tri-Wizard Tournament begins *NM*
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Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry.
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The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series.
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Definitely true
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Plotting and writing.
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plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole
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Other comments, small details you noticed,...? *NM*
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House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter.
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I love the bouillabaisse thing.
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I associate blancmange more with Britain than with anywhere else...
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Re: I love the bouillabaisse thing.
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No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things.
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Hermione really comes into her own in this book.
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Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier...
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Chapters 19-21: The first task and House-Elves at Hogwarts *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Moody, Dobby and Winky,...
23/08/2010 10:40:21 AM
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The trio, Neville and the House-elves.
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Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts.
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Plotting and writing: the first task and other events *NM*
23/08/2010 10:41:20 AM
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Good plotting in this section
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Anything else you want to comment on? *NM*
23/08/2010 10:41:39 AM
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I love that there is a book called Men Who Love Dragons Too Much. *NM*
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Chapters 22-24: The - rather eventful - Yule Ball *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Champions and their dates, Karkarov, Hagrid and Olympe,...
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Ron and Hermione, mainly.
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Makes sense.
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Re: Makes sense.
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Plotting and writing: a bit of a lull in the tension, perhaps, but there's still a lot going on. *NM*
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Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath
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Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM*
24/08/2010 11:12:33 AM
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Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook.
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Re: Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook.
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Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius.
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Lasso comment?
24/08/2010 04:20:35 PM
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When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang.
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Ah. Hehe. Yes.
24/08/2010 04:30:34 PM
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It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator.
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Holy crap.
25/08/2010 02:44:57 PM
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Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative...
25/08/2010 03:06:25 PM
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Chapters 25-27: The second task and Padfoot's return
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Fleur, Sirius,... *NM*
25/08/2010 11:18:49 AM
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Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius.
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I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions
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Agreed. Snape is one of the most fascinating characters I have ever read
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Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight.
26/08/2010 10:54:11 AM
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Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM*
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Merpeople and the second task.
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And something else I never understood about the second task
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That's a good point, yeah...
25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM
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Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol
25/08/2010 03:57:48 PM
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Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
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Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
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Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
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Marauder's Map.
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Other comments. *NM*
25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM
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Two completely unrelated things.
25/08/2010 05:24:26 PM
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Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM*
26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM
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Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville
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Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM*
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Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues.
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Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues.
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Chapters 31-33: The third task
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM*
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Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel
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Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM*
27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM
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Stuff happens.
27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM
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Riddle Family.
05/09/2010 05:39:29 AM
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Anything else to add? *NM*
27/08/2010 01:34:39 PM
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Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM*
16/08/2010 09:38:22 AM
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Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM*
28/08/2010 11:04:41 AM
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Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione
28/08/2010 11:57:25 AM
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Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM*
28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM
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Revelations and then some
28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM
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Any other thoughts? *NM*
28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM
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Two questions and one other thing.
28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM
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The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations
16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM
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What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book?
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I think she has more room to display her talent in this book.
28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM
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Suggestions for the re-read.
16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM
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Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing?
17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM
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When should we start the next book? And at which pace?
28/08/2010 11:09:07 AM
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