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Re: Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts. Camilla Send a noteboard - 23/08/2010 11:56:37 AM
That ending of chapter nineteen - Harry's outburst at Ron - is really a few steps up in terms of emotional complexity, I thought. Things are not as simple as they used to be, and they're in puberty, alright. I hadn't really realized before that Ron comes down to the common room because he's worried about Harry. Then Harry takes out his frustration on him, even physically attacking him - however minimally - and making that cruel comment about the scar. Though of course, as hurtful as that was and as hurt as Ron clearly is, it does seem to have sped up the reconciliation. Perhaps it was necessary, really hammering the point home of how Harry hasn't asked for his fame and in any case paid a steep price for it.


Yes. I really liked the moment of Ron's worry there. I had forgotten it entirely and was pleasantly surprised. Rowling is beginning to write realistic reactions, which is good.

Of course, Harry is still not the most tactful or thoughtful person, reacting ungraciously to Ron's first attempt at making up even in the euphoria of just having aced the first task. Though once that first cutting comment is made, he can get past it and show his generous side - it does sort of make sense to me. And Ron is sufficiently convinced that he doesn't give up after the poor reception of his first attempt. I'm wondering now if this is really a lasting turning point in Ron's character, the moment where he really comes to terms with the jealousy issue, or as much as one can come to terms with that... we'll see further on how that goes. Hermione's reaction makes a lot more sense to me now than it did at the time I first read it; teenage girls really are a mystery to teenage boys. ;)


Hehe. I keep forgetting how young you are. You must have been around 14 when this came out?

And you're right about Ron. And I think the fact that he looks like he is going to try again, rather than just recoiling from a hurtful remark to make another (which has been the general pattern so far), is what makes Harry forgive him.

Winky is really in a dark place there, having paid the price for something that honestly wasn't her fault, but not allowing herself to appreciate that or to put the blame where it belongs - not entirely, anyway. She still clings to her memory of her master and to defending his reputation, because it's all that still connects her to not only her whole life up to that point, but also her mother and grandmother. Tragic, and no wonder she's going to turn alcoholic. Dobby shows his generous heart in looking after her, even though surely he must know she's not likely to appreciate his efforts much. We discussed analogies with an abused spouse in the relationship between Pettigrew and Voldemort, but there are some aspects of it here too - with Dobby as the third person futilely trying to get Winky to move on. I don't remember if we ever get any indications of romantic feelings on his part, or indeed any romantic feelings between house-elves at all, but it would make sense if we did.


Yes. It is quite a well-drawn portrait. And I do like this side to Dobby (although I still get slightly annoyed whenever I see his name). I haven't caught on to romance here, but that doesn't mean it isn't there.

On a totally different topic - and level of depth - Cho does seem to have a soft spot for Harry already. Or else she's just generous and fairminded enough to give him equal support, even though most other Ravenclaws don't. I think Cho kind of gets short shrift in the series, looking not very good all in all because of the mess her relationship with Harry in OotP is, but little things like this show she may well be an awesome gal, and things might've turned out rather differently if not for the trauma of Cedric's death.


Agreed.

Hermione and Krum: the lady doth protest too much? Or not yet?


Hmmm. I honestly don't think Hermione is interested. Not at this point. I think she begins to appreciate Krum when he invites her to the ball.

Mrs. Weasley: I'm not sure if I buy it. Yes, she can be sentimental or at least very emotional, but she's got a talent for and long practice in bullshit-detection, as well. And has cause to be suspicious of anything Skeeter writes. Do her motherly feelings for Harry really override all that? Perhaps...


Agreed. I have trouble with her tendency to believe the Prophet. Although I can see her wanting Harry and Hermione to be together and therefore accepting it.

McGonagall showing her more human side is great, as always.


Indeed.

Fleur Delacour: if one defines courage as the ability to conquer one's fear, she's perhaps the most courageous of the lot, the way Rowling depicts her shaking and trembling.


Yes. I suppose that brings a bit of shading to her character, which is good. It suggests the arrogance is not due to supreme confidence.

Hagrid and Olympe: there's something in the air, there, but then we knew that. She does at least encourage him, even if it's not really clear if it genuinely comes from both sides.


I don't read the interaction between them as genuine from her side at this point. She is using Hagrid to get the information. I think. Although that is not to say she does not find him a strapping chap &c.

Bagman: the man is in serious trouble, but fortunately he's easily distracted by sports and other fancy spectacles, such as the egg-hunting.


Heh. Yes.
Although, as I say above, the trouble is tied up with Harry's success at the pitch, I think.
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Yeah, definitely. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:46:46 AM 1876 Views
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It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator. Legolas - 24/08/2010 04:45:34 PM 1992 Views
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Re: Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:21:59 AM 1809 Views
Makes more sense now. Seriana Sedai - 28/08/2010 05:00:26 AM 1754 Views
Re: Makes more sense now. Camilla - 28/08/2010 09:28:07 AM 1809 Views
Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:19:47 AM 963 Views
Merpeople and the second task. Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:34:40 AM 1866 Views
And something else I never understood about the second task Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 02:32:51 PM 1871 Views
That's a good point, yeah... Legolas - 25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM 1763 Views
Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 03:57:48 PM 1820 Views
Re: That's a good point, yeah... Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:39:48 PM 1753 Views
Re: Merpeople and the second task. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:38:55 PM 1745 Views
Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:23:30 PM 1811 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Deadsy - 25/08/2010 05:40:39 PM 1874 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:52 PM 1766 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:09:20 AM 1777 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:17:36 AM 1924 Views
Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:27:17 AM 1812 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:09:48 AM 2006 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:44:16 PM 1832 Views
Other comments. *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM 941 Views
Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:24:26 PM 1881 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:36:29 PM 1845 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:20 PM 1956 Views
Need a cough drop dear? Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:53:26 PM 1833 Views
Re: Need a cough drop dear? Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:55:41 PM 1820 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:13:07 AM 1923 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:18:42 AM 1793 Views
Second task. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:30:01 AM 1851 Views
Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:37:22 AM 892 Views
Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM 976 Views
Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:48:04 PM 1829 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:22:14 PM 1826 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:45:58 PM 1835 Views
Also Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:45:57 PM 1882 Views
Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:16:50 PM 947 Views
Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:50:29 PM 1831 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:38:53 PM 2060 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:51:32 PM 1875 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 04:05:12 PM 1823 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 04:09:12 PM 1860 Views
Yes. Elaine - 27/08/2010 02:02:22 PM 1813 Views
Everything else. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:17:07 PM 947 Views
My favourite category. Two things this time Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:51:16 PM 1712 Views
More owl comments. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:35:49 AM 1817 Views
Chapters 31-33: The third task Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:01 AM 1761 Views
Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:32:11 PM 987 Views
Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:03 PM 1732 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:09:48 PM 1724 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:23:14 PM 1790 Views
It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:01:19 PM 1830 Views
Re: It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:06:34 PM 1916 Views
Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM 949 Views
Stuff happens. Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM 1772 Views
So it does. Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:42:40 PM 1888 Views
Re: So it does. Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:55:33 PM 1810 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:48:41 AM 1904 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:08:49 AM 1808 Views
Riddle Family. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 1786 Views
No. The three dead bodies are... Legolas - 05/09/2010 12:19:48 PM 1897 Views
Re: No. The three dead bodies are... Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:46:26 PM 1900 Views
Anything else to add? *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:39 PM 937 Views
Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:58 PM 1949 Views
Re: Naturally Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:06:59 PM 1640 Views
Re: Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:11:26 PM 2100 Views
Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:22 AM 927 Views
Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:04:41 AM 951 Views
Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:57:25 AM 1855 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:00:49 PM 1782 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:11:25 PM 2124 Views
Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM 926 Views
Revelations and then some Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM 1809 Views
The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Dark Knight - 28/08/2010 11:26:30 PM 2170 Views
Re: The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:28:35 PM 2037 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:22:46 PM 1782 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:37:45 PM 1910 Views
Any other thoughts? *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM 967 Views
Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM 1923 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:27:02 PM 2120 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:31:43 PM 1818 Views
The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM 1831 Views
What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book? Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:40:03 AM 1847 Views
I think she has more room to display her talent in this book. Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM 1923 Views
I am not sure that is a good thing Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:17:56 PM 1864 Views
Re: I am not sure that is a good thing Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:00:29 PM 1956 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM 1973 Views
Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing? StormCrow - 17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM 1811 Views
Well. Yes. Rebekah - 17/08/2010 06:22:10 PM 1861 Views
Ah! That really helps me too! aria - 17/08/2010 08:00:30 PM 1844 Views
Works for me too. Thanks for the tip! *NM* StormCrow - 17/08/2010 08:13:48 PM 951 Views
When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:09:07 AM 2080 Views
Re: When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:05:31 PM 2058 Views
School started and that threw me off. aria - 30/08/2010 09:01:31 PM 1885 Views
Mine was school as well. Seriana Sedai - 01/09/2010 05:33:24 AM 1903 Views
I just haven't checked the messageboards at all recently. Cockatiel of Doom - 03/09/2010 03:28:20 AM 1896 Views
That would be good Camilla - 03/09/2010 08:19:49 AM 1796 Views
I like that idea. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:55:49 PM 1842 Views
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