Ron: He really is very silly. I wonder to what extent the Prophet linking Hermione to Harry had an effect on his resuming hostilities. I imagine it was quite important, because the implication is that she and Harry are the worthy ones, whereas Ron isn't even mentioned. It may be just me liking to spot early developing romance, but I think I am somewhat justified in doing so considering the Yule Ball debacle and the fallout from that in this book.
It's possible. We know that Hermione spent time with both of them while they weren't talking, after all, and who knows what her talks with Ron during that time were like? Though I don't think even Hermione thinks of Ron that way yet, at this point, nevermind the other way around - not consciously.
Harry's thoughts on the subject in chapter 19 also emphasise how the trio is not a trio of equal friend-status. It is Harry and Ron who are best friends, and then Hermione follows second. I was a little surprised at this, because that is not how I think of them normally.
It's not the only time that is indicated. The biggest fights are always with Ron, and it's not a coincidence that it's Ron who's taken from Harry in the second task, not Hermione (and no, not just so Krum can have Hermione, either).
Hermione: her inability to take in Quidditch terms is reminiscent of how Rowling misses things that do not interest her (numbers).
Yeah, while Harry's ability to take them in perfectly even when they're fancy Slavic names shows how men can perform astonishing intellectual feats for their favourite sport. If the name had come up in any context but Quidditch, it would have been Hermione who remembered it perfectly and Harry who mangled it.
Harry: his treatment of Ron annoys me. Especially when he knows better but decides to be a brat anyway. Then again, as Tash has been pointing out on the comm mb, that is part of how humans act.
It kind of reminded me of me, actually, I'm sure some others will recognize it too. The impulse to make that mean comment because he's feeling hurt, even though he knows it's wrong and knows it's pointless - but once it's out of the way, he can turn around fast and accept Ron's reconciliation fairly graciously.
I like how he tells Cedric about the drags though. Again, that makes him a good guy.
Good old British sportsmanship. Which of course foreigners don't have, perish the thought. A wee bit racist there, perhaps.
The reconciliation between Harry and Ron is quite sweet. Hermione is right that they are stupid. I imagine Ron's feelings were pretty much like Mrs Weasley after the Quidditch Cup. Perhaps that is why that scene was there originally (it didn't fit so well at the time, I thought, even if it was lovely): in order to set an emotional pattern for this one without Rowling having to spell it out.
I don't know if it's really so similar... I rather doubt Ron's primary emotion during the task was to be afraid for Harry's life or health, really. And the decisive click comes when he stays up most of the night there in chapter nineteen, surely.
Neville: his connection to the Cruciatus Curse is further developed as he comments that the egg sounds like someone being tortured.
Agreed.
Dobby: *sigh* I enjoy his wardrobe. And I find it interesting that he talked down his own pay.
Seems Rowling really does want us to believe house-elves like working hard for little pay, and that it's only the excesses and cruelty we're supposed to condemn.
Winky: I assume, because of its impeccable coherence, Winky's wardrobe was given to her complete by Crouch. He does not strike me as the type to dismiss a house-elf with just a sock -- it would be a complete matching set of proper clothes. Winky's reaction, shame, is also interesting. It does suggest that the desire to serve is based in some very strong cultural codes.
Oh, I hadn't even realized that, the wardrobe thing. Good call. See my own post for my thoughts on her reaction.
Dumbledore: his genius shines through in his treatment of Winky and Dobby. I love how he told them they could call him a barmy old codger.
That suffered a bit in translation again. But yes, typical.
The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Four Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
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Chapters 1-3: A different beginning
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Early characters
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Early plotting.
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It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books)
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Re: Early plotting.
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Any other comments/observations
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Mob mentality and British euroscepticism.
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people in groups and baffling violence. And the godawful recaps
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Yeah, I agree about the recaps, they're pointless at this point. *NM*
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Good news! HP really caught on after this book and so the last books don't have a recap! *NM*
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Chapters 4-6 - The Weasleys
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Also on the topic of Amos' talk of Cedric and Harry... (spoilers for end of book)
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Oh, I can think of a few more things that will prove relevant. But that's for tomorrow. *NM*
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And arguably another one of those fun names with a hidden meaning...
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The Lovegoods? This is why reading in translation can be annoying...
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I thought that might be it. Yeah, different names in the Dutch translation then. *NM*
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Any other comments/observations.
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Chapters 7-9 - The Quidditch World Cup and Death Eaters
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Characters: Ministers, Mothers, other important people.
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Plotting
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Other stuff.
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Krum Catching the Snitch
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It makes a certain amount of sense, I think...
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Clothes and other schools
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There's a first mention of Beauxbatons in chapter nine.
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Chapters 10-12: Back to Hogwarts and the Tri-Wizard Tournament. *NM*
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Characters: introducing Rita Skeeter and Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody. *NM*
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Any other comments, observations or revelations? *NM*
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There was that Durmstrang reference I was waiting for.
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Chapters 13-15: First lessons, and the arrival of the foreign guests *NM*
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Plotting and writing. *NM*
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise if you say it like that).
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Anything else to add? *NM*
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Yes. Five things, actually. Magic, Snape, idiocy, apparating while presumed guilty aaand evil films.
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Trelawney, or how one can be a Seer and not even know it.
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Chapters 16-18: The Tri-Wizard Tournament begins *NM*
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Oh, you're right, it is then. I thought you meant she said it to Harry.
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The teeth comment was by far the best Snape one liner in the series.
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Definitely true
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Plotting and writing.
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plotting both for the book alone and the series as a whole
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Other comments, small details you noticed,...? *NM*
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House-elves, Hufflepuff and minds in gutter.
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I love the bouillabaisse thing.
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I associate blancmange more with Britain than with anywhere else...
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Re: I love the bouillabaisse thing.
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No, no, the pudding and the bouillabaisse are two different things.
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Hermione really comes into her own in this book.
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Agreed, but spending really all her time with those two boys does make it easier...
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Chapters 19-21: The first task and House-Elves at Hogwarts *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Moody, Dobby and Winky,...
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The trio, Neville and the House-elves.
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Ron and Harry, Winky, various other thoughts.
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Plotting and writing: the first task and other events *NM*
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Good plotting in this section
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Anything else you want to comment on? *NM*
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I love that there is a book called Men Who Love Dragons Too Much. *NM*
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Chapters 22-24: The - rather eventful - Yule Ball *NM*
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Ron and Hermione, mainly.
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Makes sense.
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Re: Makes sense.
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Plotting and writing: a bit of a lull in the tension, perhaps, but there's still a lot going on. *NM*
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Yule Ball, preparation and aftermath
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Whatever else you want to say about these three chapters. *NM*
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Gender roles, Dobby, national stereotypes, creepy magic and gobbledegook.
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Ron's lasso comment is brilliant. Absolute genius.
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Lasso comment?
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When discussing methods to separate girls from their gang.
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Ah. Hehe. Yes.
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It's not really a humourous pun, just a nice find by the translator.
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Holy crap.
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Yeah, I don't know if the Google pictures are entirely representative...
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Chapters 25-27: The second task and Padfoot's return
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Fleur, Sirius,... *NM*
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Snape, Percy, Hermione, Ron, Mrs Weasley and Sirius.
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I'm a bit worried about people's reactions to Snape during these discussions
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Agreed. Snape is one of the most fascinating characters I have ever read
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Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight.
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Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM*
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Merpeople and the second task.
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And something else I never understood about the second task
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That's a good point, yeah...
25/08/2010 03:07:30 PM
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Maybe they should have had a magical big screen projection of what was going on in the lake lol
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Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
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Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book.
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Marauder's Map.
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Other comments. *NM*
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Two completely unrelated things.
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Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM*
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Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM*
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Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville
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Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM*
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Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues.
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Chapters 31-33: The third task
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Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM*
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Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel
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Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM*
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Stuff happens.
27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM
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Riddle Family.
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Anything else to add? *NM*
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Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM*
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Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM*
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Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione
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Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM*
28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM
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Revelations and then some
28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM
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Any other thoughts? *NM*
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Two questions and one other thing.
28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM
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The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations
16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM
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What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book?
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I think she has more room to display her talent in this book.
28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM
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Suggestions for the re-read.
16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM
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Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing?
17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM
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When should we start the next book? And at which pace?
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