The American mindset is such that even faced with overwhelming odds, the American is likely to say something more along the lines of "We'll win against all odds or die trying". It's a mindset that does not assume or accept defeat but recognizes that it is a possible outcome.
It has less to do with winning or losing wars (completely irrelevant) and far more to do with the way that the nation developed. Americans expanded westward on the basis of a generally optimistic outlook coupled with a willingness to struggle to make something. The people who came over here frequently had only the clothes on their backs, but were able, due to the opportunity of America, to become fabulously wealthy. Not everyone did, but that is the spirit and the basis of the nation.
As a result, Americans don't like heavy investment in social programs. Give everyone the opportunity and let people succeed or fail on their own merits. It's worked for almost 250 years.
As an aside, the South didn't "lose" in the mindset of Americans. It was "temporarily subdued", but "The South will rise again!" is a popular saying in the South to this day. No one has been defeated and the fight hasn't been forgotten. At least, that's the idea behind the saying.
I find this unwillingness to accept defeat an endearing and positive quality that will help keep America competitive even if China becomes a new superpower.
As for the Tolkien battle cry, it is a very nice Nordic sentiment along the lines of "Valhalla!" and I think a lot of Americans can appreciate the romantic, Wagnerian undertones of such a battle cry (without ever contemplating using it in a similar situation). The fact that one American does not understand it should not be imputed to the entirety of our great nation.
It has less to do with winning or losing wars (completely irrelevant) and far more to do with the way that the nation developed. Americans expanded westward on the basis of a generally optimistic outlook coupled with a willingness to struggle to make something. The people who came over here frequently had only the clothes on their backs, but were able, due to the opportunity of America, to become fabulously wealthy. Not everyone did, but that is the spirit and the basis of the nation.
As a result, Americans don't like heavy investment in social programs. Give everyone the opportunity and let people succeed or fail on their own merits. It's worked for almost 250 years.
As an aside, the South didn't "lose" in the mindset of Americans. It was "temporarily subdued", but "The South will rise again!" is a popular saying in the South to this day. No one has been defeated and the fight hasn't been forgotten. At least, that's the idea behind the saying.
I find this unwillingness to accept defeat an endearing and positive quality that will help keep America competitive even if China becomes a new superpower.
As for the Tolkien battle cry, it is a very nice Nordic sentiment along the lines of "Valhalla!" and I think a lot of Americans can appreciate the romantic, Wagnerian undertones of such a battle cry (without ever contemplating using it in a similar situation). The fact that one American does not understand it should not be imputed to the entirety of our great nation.
Formerly Mat Bloody Cauthon on Wotmania, blessed be its name
Worst battle cries of all time
18/08/2010 02:33:32 PM
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I like that
18/08/2010 02:41:20 PM
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No doubt it's inspiring but I think he could have phrased it better *NM*
18/08/2010 02:54:56 PM
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Are you American by any chance?
18/08/2010 03:02:45 PM
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Lol! I don't know if that's really enlightened or really sad *NM*
18/08/2010 04:17:16 PM
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Maybe both. *NM*
18/08/2010 04:17:52 PM
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In fantasy it's very stirring but in real life it's...a waste *NM*
18/08/2010 04:33:16 PM
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They haven't lost enough wars for that, maybe?
18/08/2010 04:21:29 PM
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Re: They haven't lost enough wars for that, maybe?
18/08/2010 04:26:46 PM
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I find this Euro-speculation humorous and misguided.
18/08/2010 05:02:18 PM
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Wagnerian undertones - nice usage! *NM*
18/08/2010 05:19:36 PM
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Well, if you like that, are you rethinking your initial assessment of the battle cry? *NM*
18/08/2010 05:53:36 PM
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It was an idle thought
18/08/2010 05:36:52 PM
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I think that eurosocialism does have something to do with it
18/08/2010 05:52:34 PM
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Re: I think that eurosocialism does have something to do with it
18/08/2010 05:53:49 PM
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Who's lumping several societies into one? The European Union, most likley. *NM*
18/08/2010 05:54:43 PM
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Quite
18/08/2010 06:14:19 PM
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The former can come from being inundated with the latter.
18/08/2010 07:36:52 PM
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Allow me to respectfully disagree
23/08/2010 09:47:38 AM
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I like that one too.
18/08/2010 02:54:18 PM
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There is something spine-tingling about approaching doom speeches, I'll give you that
18/08/2010 02:57:15 PM
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While it is not in a movie or book...I think this one tops the list.
19/08/2010 06:50:52 AM
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Re: Worst battle cries of all time
19/08/2010 02:24:14 PM
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Don't really see your point on the Alamo. You don't people think would be motivated by that?
19/08/2010 04:02:49 PM
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"Hot Pie! Hot Pie!"
20/08/2010 07:58:36 PM
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That's my battle cry before coitus, it's great. *NM*
21/08/2010 10:21:46 PM
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Mine is "Double Entry Bookkeeping!" They always misinterpret it. I just really like accounting. *NM*
22/08/2010 07:24:25 PM
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