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Re: It's the things behind the scenes setting up the big plan (spoilers for this and later books) Camilla Send a noteboard - 16/08/2010 11:47:16 AM
Is this the first chapter since the opening one that is not focalised through Harry? I cannot remember that happening in any of the earlier books, but I know this technique shows up in the opening of book 6 as well (at least). Still, it is unusual for Rowling and a little unsettling because it breaks the pattern.

Well, if you look at all seven the books, there's four that start with the focus on someone else: PS with the focus, well, on baby Harry I suppose, but you get the point; GoF with this; HBP with the Muggle PM plus the next chapter on Snape; and then DH with a scene of Death Eaters. So there isn't much of a pattern to it, really.


True. It is odd. Since the pattern, focusing through Harry, is so ingrained in the series, and in the whole structure of the series: we know what Harry knows, which is why we are so often wrong in our assumptions (well, I am, anyway). Deviating from that pattern is a strange choice to make.

It raises a lot of questions: what is the plan that cannot proceed until the World Cup is over? Kidnapping Harry is after all not going to happen for almost a whole year.

Who is Wormtail going to curse? I am genuinely perplexed by this, despite having read the book I don't know how many times. Is it Crouch's house-elf? I thought maybe Barty Jr did that himself.

Barty Crouch Senior. The events at the World Cup are unforeseen by Voldemort, but in the end Winky ends up back in control of Barty Jr., and he's returned to his house, so the plan can go ahead (I was first going to say the plan as described here doesn't happen because of the World Cup thing, but that's not true, I just realized). The plan to show up at Barty Jr.'s house and liberate him, though, is what's being discussed here. So that one curse would have to be the Imperius on Barty Sr.


Ah, yes. Again, this isn't really terribly strong plotting. A sequence is planned, then disturbed, then returned to status quo so that the plan can go ahead. It is a little disappointing after the strong plotting of the third book. This whole book feels rather more unfocused (as I remember it) than the third. It is more a series of plot cupons than a coherent plot -- even though there is a plot in the background of course.

I like how Berta's memory charm is slipped by almost unnoticed (I certainly have a tendency to forget it before it comes up again).

Yeah, but then we don't get the remotest hint of what it was that Berta knew that was so interesting.

I'm just thinking, there's actually two things he gets from Berta. The Tri-Wizard Tournament she can give him consciously, then he has to break the memory charm to get to the Crouch thing. It's only the combination of the two that allows the whole kidnapping plan to be set up.


Yes, I think we are told towards the end of the book that the memory charm was to cover Crouch (but it could be my mind playing tricks).

And the reference to "my faithful servant at Hogwarts" is of course meant to throw us at Snape again.

Yeah, I think it's intentionally misleading - makes us think that he's talking about a faithful servant who's at Hogwarts as he speaks, when in fact he means his faithful servant will go to Hogwarts. Of course, if Rowling had made that clearer, it would've been too easy.


Indeed.

What I like, thinking about it, is that this "faithful servant" is someone he has quite possibly never actually met, someone he didn't care at all about before his fall (since Barty Crouch Jr.'s main Death Eater deed dates from after Voldemort's fall), but now suddenly he's so moved that this guy he barely knows has actually remained loyal to him during all that time. And Peter is ticked off not only because he's taking second place to this guy, but because he's taking second place to someone Voldemort didn't even know about until shortly before. And because Voldemort automatically assumes - without having any real knowledge to base that assumption on - that this other guy will be more competent and more reliable than Peter is.


Well, it is not too large a leap of faith ;)
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Yeah, definitely. Legolas - 23/08/2010 11:46:46 AM 1962 Views
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Re: Makes sense. Legolas - 24/08/2010 05:00:59 PM 1954 Views
Re: Makes sense. Camilla - 24/08/2010 05:19:34 PM 2040 Views
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Fleur shows that, when push comes to shove, she has her priorities straight. Legolas - 26/08/2010 10:54:11 AM 1762 Views
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Makes more sense now. Seriana Sedai - 28/08/2010 05:00:26 AM 1818 Views
Re: Makes more sense now. Camilla - 28/08/2010 09:28:07 AM 1894 Views
Plotting and writing: clues, red herrings and recapitulation *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:19:47 AM 1002 Views
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Re: Merpeople and the second task. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:38:55 PM 1828 Views
Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:23:30 PM 1893 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Deadsy - 25/08/2010 05:40:39 PM 1962 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:52 PM 1865 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:09:20 AM 1862 Views
Re: Lots of stuff -- I may have to change my opinion of Rowling's plotting in this book. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:17:36 AM 2013 Views
Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:27:17 AM 1901 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:09:48 AM 2099 Views
Re: Marauder's Map. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:44:16 PM 1919 Views
Other comments. *NM* Legolas - 25/08/2010 11:20:11 AM 981 Views
Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:24:26 PM 1959 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:36:29 PM 1926 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:42:20 PM 2036 Views
Need a cough drop dear? Dark Knight - 25/08/2010 05:53:26 PM 1911 Views
Re: Need a cough drop dear? Camilla - 25/08/2010 05:55:41 PM 1910 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Legolas - 26/08/2010 11:13:07 AM 2003 Views
Re: Two completely unrelated things. Camilla - 26/08/2010 11:18:42 AM 1871 Views
Second task. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:30:01 AM 1966 Views
Chapters 28-30: Moving towards the climax *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:37:22 AM 928 Views
Characters: The Trio, Krum, Karkarov, the Crouch family,... *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:15:59 PM 1018 Views
Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:48:04 PM 1912 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:22:14 PM 1910 Views
Re: Madame Maxime, Crouch, Snape, Twins, Fudge and Neville Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:45:58 PM 1924 Views
Also Camilla - 26/08/2010 10:45:57 PM 1970 Views
Plotting and writing: increasing signs of danger, and revelations about the past. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:16:50 PM 989 Views
Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:50:29 PM 1923 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 03:38:53 PM 2149 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 03:51:32 PM 1958 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Legolas - 26/08/2010 04:05:12 PM 1904 Views
Re: Some good plotting here, and some recurring issues. Camilla - 26/08/2010 04:09:12 PM 1943 Views
Yes. Elaine - 27/08/2010 02:02:22 PM 1892 Views
Everything else. *NM* Legolas - 26/08/2010 12:17:07 PM 988 Views
My favourite category. Two things this time Camilla - 26/08/2010 02:51:16 PM 1798 Views
More owl comments. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:35:49 AM 1921 Views
Chapters 31-33: The third task Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:01 AM 1843 Views
Characters: The Trio, the Champions, Voldemort, Wormtail,,... *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:32:11 PM 1027 Views
Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:03 PM 1815 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:09:48 PM 1807 Views
Re: Ron, Mrs Weasley, Madame Maxime, Wormtail, Voldemort, Quirrel Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:23:14 PM 1871 Views
It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:01:19 PM 1913 Views
Re: It's a good question... the mystery of Voldemort's wand. Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:06:34 PM 1997 Views
Plotting and writing: thrilling action, but also a fair bit of infodump/flashback. *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:13 PM 992 Views
Stuff happens. Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:33 PM 1847 Views
So it does. Legolas - 27/08/2010 05:42:40 PM 1963 Views
Re: So it does. Camilla - 27/08/2010 05:55:33 PM 1892 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:48:41 AM 1993 Views
Re: Stuff happens. Camilla - 05/09/2010 10:08:49 AM 1902 Views
Riddle Family. Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 1865 Views
No. The three dead bodies are... Legolas - 05/09/2010 12:19:48 PM 1997 Views
Re: No. The three dead bodies are... Cockatiel of Doom - 05/09/2010 04:46:26 PM 1986 Views
Anything else to add? *NM* Legolas - 27/08/2010 01:34:39 PM 980 Views
Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 03:50:58 PM 2035 Views
Re: Naturally Legolas - 27/08/2010 06:06:59 PM 1727 Views
Re: Naturally Camilla - 27/08/2010 06:11:26 PM 2195 Views
Chapters 34-37: The climax and the aftermath *NM* Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:38:22 AM 966 Views
Characters: Well, pretty much all of them, I guess. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:04:41 AM 996 Views
Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:57:25 AM 1940 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:00:49 PM 1872 Views
Re: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, Ron and Hermione Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:11:25 PM 2213 Views
Plotting and writing: tying up, explanations and setting up the future books. *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:05:33 AM 967 Views
Revelations and then some Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:02:36 PM 1891 Views
The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Dark Knight - 28/08/2010 11:26:30 PM 2284 Views
Re: The gleam in Dumbledore's eyes Camilla - 28/08/2010 11:28:35 PM 2117 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:22:46 PM 1871 Views
Re: Revelations and then some Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:37:45 PM 1998 Views
Any other thoughts? *NM* Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:06:03 AM 1014 Views
Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:03:14 PM 2020 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Legolas - 29/08/2010 03:27:02 PM 2205 Views
Re: Two questions and one other thing. Camilla - 29/08/2010 03:31:43 PM 1908 Views
The book as a whole: overall thoughts, comments and obversations Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:39:24 AM 1914 Views
What do/did you think of Rowling's writing in this book? Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:40:03 AM 1942 Views
I think she has more room to display her talent in this book. Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:27:20 AM 2006 Views
I am not sure that is a good thing Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:17:56 PM 1952 Views
Re: I am not sure that is a good thing Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:00:29 PM 2037 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. Rebekah - 16/08/2010 09:41:01 AM 2055 Views
Is it possible / easy to make the post an Announcement while it's ongoing? StormCrow - 17/08/2010 03:08:31 PM 1898 Views
Well. Yes. Rebekah - 17/08/2010 06:22:10 PM 1948 Views
Ah! That really helps me too! aria - 17/08/2010 08:00:30 PM 1930 Views
Works for me too. Thanks for the tip! *NM* StormCrow - 17/08/2010 08:13:48 PM 991 Views
When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Legolas - 28/08/2010 11:09:07 AM 2195 Views
Re: When should we start the next book? And at which pace? Camilla - 28/08/2010 12:05:31 PM 2148 Views
School started and that threw me off. aria - 30/08/2010 09:01:31 PM 1980 Views
Mine was school as well. Seriana Sedai - 01/09/2010 05:33:24 AM 1988 Views
I just haven't checked the messageboards at all recently. Cockatiel of Doom - 03/09/2010 03:28:20 AM 1984 Views
That would be good Camilla - 03/09/2010 08:19:49 AM 1896 Views
I like that idea. Rebekah - 08/09/2010 04:55:49 PM 1936 Views
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