Re: Since I chose the same book to learn Spanish, some reasons.
DomA Send a noteboard - 04/08/2010 03:04:12 PM
I wanted a book that I knew almost by heart. This is the best way of learning a language by reading: gathering what words mean from context, rather than having to look them up in dictionaries all the time. When you know Bilbo is saying one thing, you can make sense of the words more easily.
Also, it is a long book in much the same style throughout, which makes it possible to get used to the rhythm of it and get past that to the language.
I'd say it is a very good choice for learning a language.
Edit: that said, for French I think I would have chosen Dumas. In fact, I did.
Also, it is a long book in much the same style throughout, which makes it possible to get used to the rhythm of it and get past that to the language.
I'd say it is a very good choice for learning a language.
Edit: that said, for French I think I would have chosen Dumas. In fact, I did.
Dumas is a fairly good choice to learn. While many of his turns of phrase and some of his vocabulary are a bit archaic, it's 19th century French that's grammatically correct and elegant but was also written to be easily read by the working class folk rather than by an educated elite. So it's quite accessible (or used to be... Dumas has fallen out of favour for very young readers nowadays. The littérature jeunesse offer is too large, and Dumas is now considered "difficult". He's rather read by 18/25 y.o., or as a summer read for people who can't bear Proust and, I guess, have already read Millenium).
For Tolkien we'd rather use the adjective "archaïsant", ie: using stuffy/archaic prose on purpose for style (which has been done in French translation as well, an "epic" style that isn't very natural to French, as it happens). Another way the translation is described is "style lourd et ronflant". Let's say it's a bit like a plum-pudding to a croissant, as far as French prose goes
The original is vastly superior, the French translation is really a pis-aller, definitely not worth reading for its own sake IMO(I'd pick French classics of high or popular literature over that translation any time)
I totally agree on reading already well-known works to learn (I did no different, and LOTR was one of the earliest books I re read in English on my own, as it happens), though I guess it just wouldn't have occured to me to pick an English translation of a French writer's novel to learn English (reading Monte Cristo in English, for instance), I'd rather have picked an English novel I knew only in translation, counting in part on the discovery of the original work as an extra motivation (for the reverse, especially the LOTR translation maybe, as the translator made some effort to give his translation an English/British feeling.). My main motivation to keep learning was precisely to get rid of those nasty translations, though...
A good challenge (and very good novels, at that) might be Paris-based Canadian writer Nancy Huston. Her books aren't translated the classic way; she writes them in English or French, then rewrites them in the other language. Same book, but not a word for word (or for that matter paragraph for paragraph) translation.
In school they had us read the best known Agatha Christie's as beginners (around 13 y.o. - younger than that we were only in textbooks as far as reading English went), later we had "Of Mice and Men" and "The Old Man and the Sea", and finally Moby Dick. Our only british teacher (most were English canadians) tried to get us to read either Great Expectations or Pride and Prejudice, but she made it a non compulsory activity (those books were not in the ministry's programm) and in the end she had to hmm... swallow her pride in the face of our prejudices and lower her great expectations, I guess.
This message last edited by DomA on 04/08/2010 at 03:09:13 PM
Books that take a long time to read.
03/08/2010 08:21:42 AM
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I'm gonna hope that was an exaggeration for comic effect...
03/08/2010 08:37:21 AM
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It's all looking up vocabulary. It should pick up. *NM*
03/08/2010 06:06:03 PM
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Re: I'm gonna hope that was an exaggeration for comic effect...
04/08/2010 11:52:01 AM
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Since I chose the same book to learn Spanish, some reasons.
04/08/2010 12:20:22 PM
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Re: Since I chose the same book to learn Spanish, some reasons.
04/08/2010 03:04:12 PM
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Exactly this. Though I don't know it nearly by heart. *NM*
06/08/2010 06:56:34 AM
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Re: Books that take a long time to read.
03/08/2010 08:58:55 AM
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The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon
03/08/2010 10:27:58 AM
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The unabridged Zohar in 23 volumes probably ranks up there.
03/08/2010 07:15:43 PM
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I'm reading The Lord of the Rings in French. Slowly. *NM*
03/08/2010 10:57:04 PM
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Why?
04/08/2010 02:14:44 PM
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Camilla's post above pretty much encapsulates it; I want to practice my French with something I know *NM*
06/08/2010 06:55:02 AM
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The Sound and the Fury
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