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Re: She's an interesting combination of tropes, one might say... Camilla Send a noteboard - 28/07/2010 02:15:24 PM
I think she brings an interesting dynamic with her. She is infuriating, yes, but not in the way Dobby is. I keep wondering what her motives are. Is she taunting Harry, seeing how far she can push him, or is she simply drunk and not aware of the effect of her words? It is interesting that she so blithely insults Petunia's sister, for example, and Petunia by extension, in her talk of bad blood.

Part of her - the almost military manner, the strong suggestions that she's a life-long bachelor, her dogs - fits in with a type of woman one encounters at times in British books (not so much in books from elsewhere, though :P ). But generally those women are tough but fair, and think highly of sportsmanship (in sports or elsewhere). McGonagall fits the description almost to a T (funny expression, that), and in books like Enid Blyton's or Agatha Christie's (yes, so I read much more of those than of actual respected literature, sue me :P ) there's tons of these women.


Yes. They tend to be upper-class, though. Marge is decidedly middle class, going by Vernon and Petunia. Although she does wear tweed, which would suggest she might belong in that group of women after all. Hmmm.

But since Marge is Vernon's sister here, Rowling seems to omit the tough-but-fair thing, and gives her a mean and petty streak instead, and lets her cuddle and shamelessly spoil Dudley, which makes for an odd combination with the rest.


Hmmm, yes.

Her motives are unclear as well, I agree. Neither her apparent love for Dudley nor her hate for Harry make too much sense (though obviously Vernon will have told her all kinds of lies about Harry). Some people simply like to pick on others because they're bored or to make conversation, and I guess Rowling made her like that.


I have her pegged as a mean drunk at the moment. She seems to get more vicious the more cognac she imbibes.

I like it when Harry finally takes a stand. In fact, his ``I've had enough!'' had my full support. Usually when Harry stands up for himself/someone else, I am less inclined to support him, as it is clearly the wrong reaction most of the time. But here it was spot on. Not very good for long term planning, of course, but the reaction was appropriate to (and understandable in light of) the provocation. I'll get back to that in the writing style section.

It's definitely an early sign of his troubles keeping his temper under control, which will keep getting him into trouble until very late in the series. He had full justification, but then he often does later as well, that's kind of besides the point. I wonder if Rowling was already planning that to become as big a problem as it does later...


True, although we have already seen it in the first book (not so much in the second?) in his reaction to Snape, especially.

Regarding Harry, I have also always been rather intrigued by how Neville's name is the first to spring to his mind when he is trying to remain incognito. This is interesting in part in view of later revelation that Neville could have had Harry's place if Voldemort had gone for him, but mainly because it offers straaaaaange insights into the deep dark recesses of Harry's subconscious. What those are I am not prepared to say.

Yeah, not very flattering to Neville, that. Harry respects Neville more than most people do, but still not very much yet at this point, I dare say.


Hmmm. Maybe. Do you think that is why he picked his name? Could it be that he identifies with him at this point? That he feels powerless and friendless and that that ties him to Neville in some way?

I wonder what made the Dursleys promise to take Harry back, whether Petunia worked her "he's staying" magic, like she does later (book 5?), or whether they were so desperate to get the strange magical people out of their house they would agree to anything.

I think the Dursleys for all their mistreatment and abuse of Harry are still reluctant to kick their cousin out or refuse to let him come back. It's only when his presence there starts to actually endanger the rest of the family in book five, that kicking him out is on the table.


Probably.

The traits that will make Fudge dangerous later on are there, but only in a rather benevolent state. I am not sure how to explain it better. I'm thinking of how he dismisses the problem of Harry's underage magic and bends the rules in order to get it his way. Because they are helping, rather than hindering, Harry, it is not as salient.

Yeah, his pomposity and patronizing attitude are clear here, as is his tendency to shy away from difficult problems.


Indeed. Of course, we saw his bad side when Hagrid was imprisoned in the last book, so we already know it is there.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban - 28/07/2010 12:00:14 PM 2797 Views
Chapters 1-3. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:01:10 PM 956 Views
Characters. - 28/07/2010 12:03:36 PM 1625 Views
Aunt Marge - 28/07/2010 01:13:34 PM 1542 Views
She's an interesting combination of tropes, one might say... - 28/07/2010 01:40:37 PM 1885 Views
Re: She's an interesting combination of tropes, one might say... - 28/07/2010 02:15:24 PM 1710 Views
Stan Shunpike. - 28/07/2010 02:01:46 PM 1683 Views
Re: Stan Shunpike. - 28/07/2010 02:19:41 PM 1594 Views
True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape. - 28/07/2010 02:46:38 PM 1563 Views
Re: True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape. - 28/07/2010 02:50:20 PM 1515 Views
If I'm not mistaken - 30/07/2010 04:36:18 PM 1567 Views
Re: True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape. - 07/08/2010 02:53:43 PM 1788 Views
It's not entirely clear, true. - 08/08/2010 02:44:50 PM 1703 Views
Incorrect - 28/07/2010 04:17:09 PM 1561 Views
Re: Incorrect - 28/07/2010 06:11:12 PM 1753 Views
Re: Incorrect - 28/07/2010 06:35:31 PM 1652 Views
Colin Creevey is working class. - 28/07/2010 06:32:45 PM 1579 Views
Correct me if I'm wrong - 28/07/2010 06:38:20 PM 1537 Views
Ah, that's a good point. - 28/07/2010 06:43:00 PM 1535 Views
True - 28/07/2010 06:50:30 PM 1616 Views
Judging by his father's profession, yes. - 28/07/2010 06:53:02 PM 1629 Views
Re: Judging by his father's profession, yes. - 28/07/2010 07:34:41 PM 1463 Views
Right. - 29/07/2010 02:28:34 PM 1580 Views
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Themes, if we can discern any already this early in the book. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:04:47 PM 897 Views
Guilt v. innocence? Flight? - 28/07/2010 01:16:25 PM 1542 Views
And the beginning of "appearances can be deceiving". - 02/08/2010 11:48:36 PM 1528 Views
First impressions on the news of Sirius Black's escape. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:05:26 PM 894 Views
Aaaah, Sirius. - 28/07/2010 01:21:32 PM 1684 Views
Re: Aaaah, Sirius. - 28/07/2010 01:44:50 PM 1664 Views
Re: Aaaah, Sirius. - 28/07/2010 02:22:17 PM 1445 Views
I was talking about that, yes, among other things. - 28/07/2010 07:00:08 PM 1516 Views
Re: I was talking about that, yes, among other things. - 28/07/2010 07:03:11 PM 1764 Views
Thats easy really - 28/07/2010 02:05:26 PM 1503 Views
Writing style. - 28/07/2010 12:07:24 PM 1697 Views
It is a better book. - 28/07/2010 02:00:54 PM 1543 Views
Its much more mature writing style I think - 28/07/2010 02:09:33 PM 1755 Views
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Re: Its much more mature writing style I think - 28/07/2010 02:34:37 PM 1477 Views
Re: Its much more mature writing style I think - 28/07/2010 02:36:38 PM 1467 Views
Re: It is a better book. - 03/08/2010 05:53:30 PM 1489 Views
Re: It is a better book. - 03/08/2010 05:59:22 PM 1523 Views
Foreshadowings, details that turn out to be important, etc. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:08:07 PM 835 Views
That is very well done in this book, I thought. - 28/07/2010 02:08:21 PM 1513 Views
Dont foget the most important foreshadowing! - 28/07/2010 02:15:35 PM 1474 Views
not yet. - 28/07/2010 02:23:28 PM 1473 Views
What am I doing today? I need some more sleep! - 28/07/2010 02:36:54 PM 1487 Views
Re: That is very well done in this book, I thought. - 03/08/2010 05:54:06 PM 1524 Views
Chapters 4-6. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:11:45 PM 814 Views
Characters. - 29/07/2010 10:23:28 AM 1522 Views
LupinLupinLupinLupinLupinLupin! - 29/07/2010 11:48:55 AM 1633 Views
Hmmm I'm wondering...is Lupin one of your fav characters? *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:36:20 PM 793 Views
Could be, could be. - 29/07/2010 02:37:41 PM 1516 Views
Well it was subtle so I don't think many people will catch it *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:41:38 PM 798 Views
Subtlety is what I do *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:43:00 PM 789 Views
He is so lovely. - 03/08/2010 06:00:26 PM 1630 Views
Re: He is so lovely. - 03/08/2010 06:10:34 PM 1558 Views
Is it premature to argue Harry's starting to get alienated from Ron and Hermione here? - 30/07/2010 01:48:06 PM 1508 Views
I don't think it's too early. - 30/07/2010 06:26:15 PM 1437 Views
I don't think it's too early to argue that. - 03/08/2010 06:02:17 PM 1687 Views
Themes. *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:24:31 AM 731 Views
Death and fear of death - 29/07/2010 11:51:25 AM 1494 Views
Writing style. - 29/07/2010 10:26:07 AM 1545 Views
"Plotting" might be a more interesting discussion point - 29/07/2010 11:57:20 AM 1589 Views
I was amazed at all the tiny details - 29/07/2010 03:25:08 PM 1415 Views
Re: I was amazed at all the tiny details - 29/07/2010 03:27:04 PM 1517 Views
Introduction of the Dementors. *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:26:59 AM 805 Views
They are Rowling's most terrifying creation - 29/07/2010 12:00:34 PM 1492 Views
Without his knowledge or consent of course *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:31:47 PM 771 Views
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I thinking something thats a little off topic - 29/07/2010 02:40:36 PM 1461 Views
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Ooo I didn't think of that! I like you. We can be friends - 29/07/2010 02:47:31 PM 1448 Views
Mission accomplished. - 29/07/2010 02:48:35 PM 1544 Views
Yippee! - 29/07/2010 02:52:16 PM 1441 Views
And among her most original, I'd say. - 30/07/2010 01:53:25 PM 1493 Views
Re: "He's at Hogwarts." - 04/08/2010 11:51:05 PM 1438 Views
Re: "He's at Hogwarts." - 04/08/2010 11:52:55 PM 1579 Views
I don't know the answer, but a good place to look would be... (book 4 spoilers) - 05/08/2010 12:33:20 AM 1466 Views
Indeed, but.... ~spoileriffic for Book 4~ - 05/08/2010 02:19:22 PM 1476 Views
Good point. - 05/08/2010 11:06:10 PM 1537 Views
Chapters 7-9. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:11:59 PM 940 Views
Characters. - 30/07/2010 02:07:20 PM 1415 Views
Re: Characters. - 30/07/2010 02:50:07 PM 1362 Views
Lupin vs. Snape - 30/07/2010 06:10:07 PM 1451 Views
Re: Lupin vs. Snape - 30/07/2010 06:12:06 PM 1544 Views
Yeah, he knew because of Sirius' little slip. - 30/07/2010 06:27:36 PM 1469 Views
I doubt Sirius had to actually say that it was Lupin though. - 31/07/2010 04:33:38 AM 1457 Views
Indeed - 02/08/2010 10:26:31 AM 1574 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 30/07/2010 02:08:03 PM 693 Views
She is getting good at misdirection - 30/07/2010 02:50:40 PM 1400 Views
Other things you want to comment on. *NM* - 30/07/2010 02:13:36 PM 813 Views
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Good spell and great scene with the Bogart. - 30/07/2010 06:19:16 PM 1488 Views
Agree, especially about Neville - 31/07/2010 06:21:25 AM 1567 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 31/07/2010 09:56:53 AM 808 Views
Yes, excellent scene. - 09/08/2010 08:06:05 PM 1477 Views
Chapters 10-12. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:12:18 PM 721 Views
Characters. - 02/08/2010 12:50:36 PM 1565 Views
Re: Characters. - 02/08/2010 01:36:53 PM 1452 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 02/08/2010 12:50:56 PM 673 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 02/08/2010 01:36:49 PM 1681 Views
I caught that too. - 02/08/2010 02:50:03 PM 1355 Views
I think it's just an unfortunate way of expressing herself. - 02/08/2010 02:53:26 PM 1438 Views
Re: I caught that too. - 02/08/2010 02:53:48 PM 1483 Views
I suspect.... - 03/08/2010 03:17:32 PM 1631 Views
Re: I suspect.... - 03/08/2010 03:22:39 PM 1463 Views
I agree - 03/08/2010 05:25:10 PM 1476 Views
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Mmmkay. - 04/08/2010 02:39:14 PM 1527 Views
Trelawny's Predictions - 02/08/2010 02:56:53 PM 1444 Views
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Other things - the Marauder's Map, background story on Sirius and the Potters,... *NM* - 02/08/2010 12:52:30 PM 804 Views
Re: Other things - the Marauder's Map, background story on Sirius and the Potters,... - 02/08/2010 01:36:56 PM 1410 Views
What if - 02/08/2010 11:50:28 PM 1307 Views
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Chapters 13-15. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:12:57 PM 803 Views
Characters. - 03/08/2010 05:25:47 PM 1462 Views
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Re: Characters. - 08/08/2010 02:21:17 PM 1487 Views
Re: Characters. - 08/08/2010 02:23:35 PM 1595 Views
OK. I don't like how one-sided the Slytherins are. - 08/08/2010 02:30:22 PM 1545 Views
Agreed. - 08/08/2010 02:37:18 PM 1480 Views
Re: Agreed. - 08/08/2010 02:45:30 PM 1469 Views
Re: Agreed. - 08/08/2010 02:49:59 PM 1450 Views
Agreed. - 08/08/2010 03:03:19 PM 1542 Views
Re: 200 people - 09/08/2010 12:09:53 AM 1474 Views
Well. - 09/08/2010 08:21:24 AM 1574 Views
True - 09/08/2010 02:02:52 PM 1587 Views
we were discussing her numbers in the other thread - 12/08/2010 12:49:29 AM 1714 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:26:12 PM 771 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 03/08/2010 05:31:43 PM 1581 Views
Crookshanks. - 08/08/2010 02:22:36 PM 1474 Views
Yes - 08/08/2010 02:25:12 PM 1445 Views
I knew I saw this somewhere. - 09/08/2010 08:16:01 PM 1396 Views
Re: I knew I saw this somewhere. - 09/08/2010 09:01:18 PM 1537 Views
pedant. - 09/08/2010 09:27:25 PM 1562 Views
Did they come out and explain Crookshanks? - 11/08/2010 04:20:18 PM 1556 Views
Re: Did they come out and explain Crookshanks? - 11/08/2010 04:21:37 PM 1378 Views
The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:26:37 PM 796 Views
Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:36:35 PM 1536 Views
Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:48:57 PM 1606 Views
Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:57:06 PM 1493 Views
For Quidditch fans, this is probably the best book. - 03/08/2010 05:38:49 PM 1447 Views
spoilers in headlines, mister! - 03/08/2010 05:43:22 PM 1523 Views
I really enjoyed the first quidditch match. - 03/08/2010 05:40:37 PM 1405 Views
Jordan's commenting is always great. - 03/08/2010 06:00:12 PM 1506 Views
Re: Jordan's commenting is always great. - 03/08/2010 06:18:01 PM 1711 Views
Re: I really enjoyed the first quidditch match. - 03/08/2010 06:02:53 PM 1469 Views
Chapters 16-18. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:11 PM 817 Views
Characters. - 04/08/2010 04:16:39 PM 1516 Views
Re: Characters. - 04/08/2010 05:18:56 PM 1491 Views
Re. Sirius. - 05/08/2010 02:40:41 PM 1626 Views
Witnessing and getting the truth through to Harry. - 05/08/2010 10:00:34 PM 1522 Views
Hm. - 08/08/2010 02:58:46 PM 1376 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:01:48 PM 1307 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:07:29 PM 1535 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:12:48 PM 1412 Views
OK - 08/08/2010 03:15:10 PM 1451 Views
Re: OK - 08/08/2010 03:16:23 PM 1536 Views
Plotting and writing. - 04/08/2010 04:18:52 PM 1386 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 04/08/2010 05:18:04 PM 1265 Views
Heh. - 08/08/2010 03:05:16 PM 1526 Views
Other thoughts. *NM* - 04/08/2010 04:19:15 PM 918 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 04/08/2010 05:19:45 PM 1409 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:09:23 PM 1559 Views
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Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:14:04 PM 1346 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:15:51 PM 1393 Views
Chapters 19-20. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:27 PM 775 Views
Characters. - 05/08/2010 02:40:22 PM 1290 Views
Re: Characters. - 05/08/2010 02:45:53 PM 1755 Views
See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:04:24 PM 1838 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:13:21 PM 1569 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:54:31 PM 1939 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 05:01:52 PM 1762 Views
Something I've only just realized about Snape... (massive book six and seven spoilers) - 05/08/2010 02:53:15 PM 1557 Views
I didn't think of that! Of course you are right! - 05/08/2010 02:58:45 PM 1525 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 05/08/2010 02:40:42 PM 668 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 05/08/2010 02:48:02 PM 1649 Views
I think it's a good thing she explains her clues. - 05/08/2010 03:09:59 PM 1503 Views
Re: I think it's a good thing she explains her clues. - 05/08/2010 03:16:37 PM 1486 Views
Ah, yes, my bad. - 05/08/2010 04:02:26 PM 1443 Views
Other thoughts. *NM* - 05/08/2010 02:41:01 PM 731 Views
killing - 05/08/2010 02:48:33 PM 1384 Views
Yeah, I noted the same thing. (spoilers for rest of series) - 05/08/2010 03:12:15 PM 1604 Views
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Chapters 21-22. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:42 PM 747 Views
And for the last time in this book... characters? *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:03:30 PM 811 Views
Re: And for the last time in this book... characters? - 06/08/2010 06:26:23 PM 1481 Views
Plotting and writing. - 06/08/2010 05:04:14 PM 1309 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 06/08/2010 06:27:54 PM 1352 Views
I normally don't care for time travel. - 07/08/2010 01:20:13 AM 1563 Views
And everything else you noticed and want to comment on. *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:04:46 PM 832 Views
Re: And everything else you noticed and want to comment on. - 06/08/2010 06:28:40 PM 1494 Views
I love the very very end. - 07/08/2010 01:23:02 AM 1673 Views
Re: I love the very very end. - 07/08/2010 08:49:50 AM 1490 Views
Overall thoughts. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:14:03 PM 787 Views
Character development. - 28/07/2010 01:17:20 PM 1390 Views
Harry develops by leaps and bounds - 28/07/2010 02:13:10 PM 1420 Views
Overarching plot and themes. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:18:27 PM 735 Views
Things Are Not What They Seem - 01/08/2010 11:15:23 PM 1378 Views
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How good a book is this - compared to the rest of the series, and compared to YA books in general? *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:19:06 PM 802 Views
I'd say it is one of the best in the series - 02/08/2010 10:23:49 AM 1373 Views
Absolutely. - 05/08/2010 08:15:20 PM 1532 Views
More of a question, really - 01/08/2010 10:40:23 PM 1448 Views
I think this is situational and a sad commentary on his home life. - 02/08/2010 03:01:49 PM 1284 Views
Well, but the question still remains - 02/08/2010 03:04:01 PM 1396 Views
Oh, got it. - 02/08/2010 03:12:47 PM 1466 Views
Ah, interesting - 02/08/2010 03:50:41 PM 1535 Views
The problem came down to actually doing the work. - 02/08/2010 03:54:21 PM 1449 Views
I never had any. - 03/08/2010 03:25:07 PM 1403 Views
I'm finding this one more difficult to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:38:01 PM 1453 Views
Apparently you are not alone in that. - 03/08/2010 05:48:13 PM 1565 Views
I suppose this is more or less the right place for this. - 04/08/2010 11:59:45 PM 1518 Views
Hehehe - 05/08/2010 12:14:38 AM 1469 Views
I had totally forgotten about that choir and the Ray Bradbury reference. - 05/08/2010 12:37:09 AM 1349 Views
Okay, so possibly a Shakespeare reference also used by Bradbury. Whatever. *NM* - 05/08/2010 12:37:56 AM 725 Views
Possibly? It's the witches in Macbeth. *NM* - 05/08/2010 08:36:20 AM 733 Views
Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 06:46:26 PM 1368 Views
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Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 07:57:02 PM 1385 Views
Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 08:00:01 PM 1457 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. - 28/07/2010 06:14:49 PM 1568 Views
I was wondering when this would come up - 28/07/2010 06:39:01 PM 1406 Views
I knew I was gonna forget something. - 28/07/2010 06:55:50 PM 1543 Views
Perhaps - 29/07/2010 09:29:53 AM 1461 Views
I considered that, but it seemed overly non-trusting, and nobody has posted in them yet? *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:12:23 AM 633 Views
Yet - 29/07/2010 10:13:44 AM 1486 Views
<Tattoos "Poor Impulse Control" on your forehead> - 29/07/2010 11:00:07 AM 1549 Views
I may be missing a reference - 29/07/2010 11:03:47 AM 1427 Views
The villain is a huge Aleutian man with such a tattoo. *NM* - 29/07/2010 11:09:30 AM 766 Views
I think a little break might be a good idea. Give people a chance to catch up. - 02/08/2010 11:46:13 PM 1489 Views
Re: I think a little break might be a good idea. Give people a chance to catch up. - 02/08/2010 11:59:20 PM 1461 Views
I think I should make clear, just in case, that I don't mean immediately. - 03/08/2010 05:11:26 PM 1405 Views
Yes - 03/08/2010 05:13:10 PM 1414 Views
Your patience is admirable. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:15:45 PM 719 Views
There are no words *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:16:51 PM 801 Views

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