Re: It's interesting to look at the beginning of the story from Draco's point of view.
Camilla Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 03:18:02 PM
Draco:
The comparison to Dudley sets him up as distasteful. But it is strange to see how everything he says in the first meeting is so clearly just a repetition of what he has heard from others (his father, mainly, I suppose). He is saying "the right thing" based on the circles he is used to, and does not seem aware that it is not on outside of that circle. He is trying to bond with Harry and is rejected.
And then he is rejected again in the train, while his lackeys are standing by. Like what she does with Dumbledore, Rowling gives the character first, then the background information: Ron only tells us Draco's family is Bad after Draco has shown himself to be bad, or at least contemptible, on his own.
As you say, the things he's saying on the first meeting are just the things his parents have been telling him all that time. I wonder if he's met Crabbe and Goyle before? It's tempting to see his situation when boarding the train as really rather similar to Harry's - alone, in a large group of children that he's never really had any contact with, and looking to make friends despite the handicap of his background. Then he meets Crabbe and Goyle and that altercation with Harry, Ron and Hermione happens - but if he hasn't met Crabbe and Goyle yet, all Draco is really doing in that scene is try to show off to his new friends the way his father always does, because that's how he's been taught to act. Then his early associations and those of his father determine his later course in Hogwarts, largely thanks to the system with the four houses which encourages clique formation and rivalry and strife, and in the end the evolution to budding Death Eater is a fairly natural one. The way his father buys him a spot on the Quidditch team in Chamber of Secrets is lame and pathetic in the eyes of the protagonists, but it also tells us that Draco is under significant pressure from his parents, who are interfering more with his life at Hogwarts and with his friends than he might actually like. I think he's rather lonely, despite the appearances, from the start, not just in book six. His bought or wowed friends can't be much of a support, especially not in competitive and merciless Slytherin.
He cannot possibly enjoy the company of Crabbe and Goyle. That is fairly obvious from the conversation we get when Harry and Ron sneak into the Slytherin common room as them. Yet they appear to be his closest friends. It could be that he has met them through his father, or that he knows their parents are affiliated with his father. But that is rather too much politics for a 11-yearold to handle, I feel.
One of Rowling's greatest strengths, as has been mentioned in several posts here already, is to write a children's story that has additional layers for adults without giving the children the feeling they're missing anything. I suppose it could be the benefit of hindsight that creates most of the shades of grey in these earliest novels, but for both Draco and Snape there is some grey even in this book when viewed alone.
Yes.
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Chapters 1-3: Introducing Harry
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Characterisation *NM*
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My thoughts, such as they are.
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Re: My thoughts, such as they are. *spoilers*
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Writing style *NM*
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It is very clear it is a children's book at this time
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Vernon's slow descent into madness is great.
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Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great.
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Early themes *NM*
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Chapters 4-10: Making Friends at Hogwarts *NM*
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Impressions: thoughts about the school, the teachers, the enemies and the friends. *NM*
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I'd forgotten how annoying Hermione was
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Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though.
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Re: Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though.
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Yes and, I think, this may be another candidate for early themes (from above)
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Re: Impressions: thoughts about the school, the teachers, the enemies and the friends.
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Agree. I loved the instant tension between Harry and Malfoy and with Harry and Snape too.
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Some thoughts before I run off to the library again
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It's interesting to look at the beginning of the story from Draco's point of view.
26/07/2010 03:08:38 PM
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Re: It's interesting to look at the beginning of the story from Draco's point of view.
26/07/2010 03:18:02 PM
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What about the magic?
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The magic wasnt really developed at this point
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Re: The magic wasnt really developed at this point
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I think
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Diagon Alley - Olivander's Foreshadowing
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I really need a remembrall.
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But it doesn't tell you what you've forgotten!
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Chapters 11-17: Harry the Hero *NM*
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What'd you think of the ending? *NM*
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Two separate things:
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Lovely
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Haha
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Re: Haha
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But I thought all girls were made of sugar and spice and everything nice?
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Oh, we are.
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Honestly, dumbledore is a bit of an ass...
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The decades of manipulation of a child doesn't bother you, but the House Cup does? *NM*
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Overall thoughts for the book
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Foreshadowing and setting up the future
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Harry's anger management issues?
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Heh.
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Nah, not deliberate.
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Re: Nah, not deliberate.
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I noticed a lot of this.
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Re: I noticed a lot of this.
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Re: I noticed a lot of this.
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On Ginny:
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This was my interpretation too and why I didn't pay much attention to it at the time. *NM*
13/07/2010 02:53:08 PM
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I've noticed a lot of the same things, probably because I've reread this book so many times...
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Re: I've noticed a lot of the same things, probably because I've reread this book so many times...
13/07/2010 08:58:10 AM
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So much (chapters 1-3) *spoilers*
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I missed the school roof thing this time around too! Good catch there. *NM*
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The thing that tipped me off
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Imagine how easy his test would have been if he remembered he'd done it as a child! *NM*
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You have to wonder why Hagrid and Dumbledore didn't suspect the truth about Sirius.
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I re-read a couple weeks ago, and I was highly amused by all the little things she worked in
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Some stuff (chapters 4-11)
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Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11)
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I can answer your consistency question!
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More stuff (chapters 12-17)
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Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12
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What made this book (and the rest of the series) such a success?
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I think it was mostly because it was a simple narrative with an identifiable protagnonist.
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It has tons of things in it that every kid dreams of doing
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It's a simple, well-done little book.
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you don't read instructions, do you?
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When did you pick up this book?
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I was 10.
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Ah book orders...man you just brought back nostalgic memories. I miss being a kid
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1999
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What do you mean by adult version?
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They started publishing copies with 'adult' covers so people wouldn't be caught out reading
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Got a boxed set for Christmas when Order of the Phoenix came out in hardback.
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The first five were out, waited for HBP.
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Very early. Beginning of 1999, so it had just come out in the States. *NM*
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I held out quite awhile because I don't like "fads"
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I did the same thing.
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I would have, if I had known there was hype. I know I would have.
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Aged 13 or 14 - a while before the first movie (which was Christmas 2001). *NM*
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Jesus Christ.
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^That was me. *NM*
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Aw. I was just feeling flattered as I didn't think Tor had read that many of my posts. *NM*
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Suggestions for the Re-read
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This is my first official time participating and its been fun so far!
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Unfortunately, no. (Silly me, pretending someone's still going to read all my posts... ) *NM*
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Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death...
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Because they were tricked? They considered Peter and Sirius to be brothers.
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That's nonsense..
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Take it up with Rowling, since you don't believe me. *NM*
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What's there to believe?
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Peter + Sirius = family. I don't know how to explain it more simply. *NM*
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Re: That's nonsense..
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Also
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Huh?
18/07/2010 05:57:58 AM
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But Camilla explained it!
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I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong...
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Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong...
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Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong...
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Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong...
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That bothers me too.
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Re: That bothers me too.
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Again...
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Re: Again...
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Re: Again...
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Re: Again...
20/07/2010 04:45:16 PM
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Yet another load of bosh.
21/07/2010 01:00:14 AM
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It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do...
14/09/2010 12:11:20 AM
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Re: It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do...
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You have to wonder if that's actually true.
26/07/2010 04:23:31 PM
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Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house
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Re: Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house
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^ And this, too, was me.
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