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Re: That's nonsense.. eucatastrophe Send a noteboard - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM
We're told that the Potters knew that someone close to them was Voldy's mole. That's precisely why Dumbledore offered himself as Secret Keeper.

The question is why didn't he suggest that Lily or James should take the job?



Firstly, they did not know for sure, they (James, Sirius, Lupin, DD) only suspected. As Ghavrel mentions, it was unthinkable to them that someone close to them was passing information, in spite of all the evidence cropping up and pointing to this very fact.

As to your question, what if at that time, no one knew the effect of having the subjects of the Fidelius Charm as Secret Keepers? As we've seen from the books, the wizarding world is still unearthing magical secrets (Wolfsbane Potion, Marauders' Map, the Deluminator) so what if this was something Dumbledore figured out recently?

Anyways, I think it has more to do with the fact that being a friend to the Potters equalled to being their kin.

The concept of the spell was probably not as well developed when Rowling wrote The Philosopher's Stone. Some may see it as a plot hole. I don't; I think if Ms. Rowling saw this as a plot hole, she did a marvellous job working around it.
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Harry Potter Re-read: The Philosopher's Stone - Final section underway! (& next book plans) Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:27:51 AM 3027 Views
Chapters 1-3: Introducing Harry Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:28:49 AM 1606 Views
Characterisation *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:02 AM 900 Views
My thoughts, such as they are. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:09:55 PM 1656 Views
Agree. She gave us enough to make it interesting. StormCrow - 12/07/2010 06:45:46 PM 1629 Views
Re: My thoughts, such as they are. *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:43:49 PM 1617 Views
You hit the nail on the head. Seriana Sedai - 13/07/2010 12:20:19 AM 1543 Views
Re: You hit the nail on the head. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:51:45 AM 1461 Views
Writing style *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 885 Views
A couple of points. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:10:20 PM 1490 Views
It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:18:14 PM 1674 Views
True. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 1595 Views
Re: It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Tor - 12/07/2010 09:31:11 PM 1720 Views
Re: It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:51:23 PM 1420 Views
Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:03:26 AM 1642 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:54:40 AM 1596 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 01:14:01 PM 1660 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 13/07/2010 01:15:23 PM 1436 Views
Early themes *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:37 AM 903 Views
Strong vs weak *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:23:45 PM 1439 Views
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Chapters 4-10: Making Friends at Hogwarts *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:58 AM 832 Views
Impressions: thoughts about the school, the teachers, the enemies and the friends. *NM* Rebekah - 14/07/2010 08:29:38 AM 875 Views
I'd forgotten how annoying Hermione was Deadsy - 14/07/2010 01:48:13 PM 1516 Views
Me too. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:30:13 PM 1471 Views
Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 04:58:04 PM 1519 Views
Re: Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though. Camilla - 14/07/2010 06:13:13 PM 1514 Views
Yes and, I think, this may be another candidate for early themes (from above) StormCrow - 14/07/2010 07:43:14 PM 1626 Views
Re: Impressions: thoughts about the school, the teachers, the enemies and the friends. aria - 14/07/2010 04:22:54 PM 1657 Views
Agree. I loved the instant tension between Harry and Malfoy and with Harry and Snape too. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:03:20 PM 1784 Views
Some thoughts before I run off to the library again Camilla - 14/07/2010 06:11:45 PM 1650 Views
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It's interesting to look at the beginning of the story from Draco's point of view. Legolas - 26/07/2010 03:08:38 PM 1736 Views
Re: It's interesting to look at the beginning of the story from Draco's point of view. Camilla - 26/07/2010 03:18:02 PM 1396 Views
What about the magic? Rebekah - 14/07/2010 08:58:51 AM 1519 Views
The magic wasnt really developed at this point Dark Knight - 14/07/2010 02:13:41 PM 1444 Views
Re: The magic wasnt really developed at this point Camilla - 14/07/2010 08:53:08 PM 1689 Views
There was one powerful protection Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 01:29:49 AM 1620 Views
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Re: I agree Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 05:44:41 AM 1459 Views
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Diagon Alley - Olivander's Foreshadowing StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:11:40 PM 1733 Views
Re: Diagon Alley - Olivander's Foreshadowing aria - 14/07/2010 08:51:06 PM 1440 Views
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I really need a remembrall. Camilla - 14/07/2010 08:57:10 PM 1594 Views
I felt bad for Neville. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 09:03:49 PM 1603 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 14/07/2010 09:05:40 PM 1473 Views
But it doesn't tell you what you've forgotten! nossy - 15/07/2010 02:51:47 AM 1730 Views
I know, right! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:41:01 AM 1448 Views
Exactly. nossy - 15/07/2010 03:22:18 PM 1360 Views
Re: But it doesn't tell you what you've forgotten! Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:15:55 AM 1445 Views
Ah, see nossy - 15/07/2010 03:23:49 PM 1420 Views
Chapters 11-17: Harry the Hero *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:30:29 AM 846 Views
What'd you think of the ending? *NM* Rebekah - 15/07/2010 05:21:38 PM 811 Views
Loved it. StormCrow - 15/07/2010 05:56:06 PM 1492 Views
Two separate things: nossy - 15/07/2010 07:14:08 PM 1487 Views
I hear you Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 08:22:05 PM 1517 Views
Re: Two separate things: Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:48:21 PM 1507 Views
I can clarify some stuff for you Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 1525 Views
One of the most sublime, wonderful moments of any book Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 08:18:29 PM 1360 Views
Yes! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 10:39:11 PM 1542 Views
Lovely Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:00:11 PM 1572 Views
Haha Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:16:16 PM 1657 Views
Re: Haha Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:24:06 PM 1543 Views
But I thought all girls were made of sugar and spice and everything nice? Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:26:53 PM 1446 Views
Oh, we are. Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:35:17 PM 1351 Views
Ah like vodka vs. wine coolers? *NM* Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:48:26 PM 802 Views
Gin Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:49:33 PM 1470 Views
I was 16. Rebekah - 15/07/2010 10:49:33 PM 1346 Views
So was I Camilla - 15/07/2010 10:54:24 PM 1392 Views
Honestly, dumbledore is a bit of an ass... jh - 15/07/2010 10:48:32 PM 1349 Views
Heresy! Camilla - 15/07/2010 10:55:28 PM 1400 Views
The decades of manipulation of a child doesn't bother you, but the House Cup does? *NM* Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 11:37:54 PM 785 Views
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As I indicated below, I had some issues. Nate - 16/07/2010 03:05:05 AM 1660 Views
Re: As I indicated below, I had some issues. Camilla - 16/07/2010 11:14:56 AM 1555 Views
In fairness, it's Hogwarts itself that is all but impregnable. Legolas - 26/07/2010 03:55:02 PM 1464 Views
A funny thing I noticed Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:00:42 PM 1574 Views
nossy - 15/07/2010 09:18:08 PM 1428 Views
Overall thoughts for the book Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:31:37 AM 1533 Views
Foreshadowing and setting up the future Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1436 Views
Harry's anger management issues? StormCrow - 12/07/2010 07:14:58 PM 1511 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:40:40 PM 1549 Views
Nah, not deliberate. StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:14:20 PM 1603 Views
Re: Nah, not deliberate. Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:55:32 PM 1512 Views
Re: Nah, not deliberate. StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:02:59 PM 1449 Views
Re: Nah, not deliberate. Camilla - 13/07/2010 03:04:42 PM 1578 Views
I noticed a lot of this. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:22:54 PM 1632 Views
Re: I noticed a lot of this. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:39:25 PM 1559 Views
Re: I noticed a lot of this. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:45:32 PM 1547 Views
~smug~ Elaine - 13/07/2010 02:09:15 PM 1522 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 13/07/2010 02:10:41 PM 1756 Views
This response implies the experience of being both?? StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:23:29 PM 1503 Views
On Ginny: Kronin al'Sulc - 12/07/2010 10:36:47 PM 1578 Views
This was my interpretation too and why I didn't pay much attention to it at the time. *NM* StormCrow - 13/07/2010 02:53:08 PM 744 Views
I've noticed a lot of the same things, probably because I've reread this book so many times... Cockatiel of Doom - 13/07/2010 04:45:28 AM 1776 Views
Re: I've noticed a lot of the same things, probably because I've reread this book so many times... Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:58:10 AM 1517 Views
So much (chapters 1-3) *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:35:57 PM 1733 Views
Hm. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:38:05 PM 1542 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:39:08 PM 1614 Views
Re: Hm. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:39:53 PM 1417 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:44:16 PM 1321 Views
Re: Hm. Cockatiel of Doom - 13/07/2010 04:41:12 AM 1437 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:55:09 AM 1405 Views
I missed the school roof thing this time around too! Good catch there. *NM* StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 823 Views
The thing that tipped me off Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:53:01 PM 1506 Views
Imagine how easy his test would have been if he remembered he'd done it as a child! *NM* StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:20:27 PM 814 Views
You have to wonder why Hagrid and Dumbledore didn't suspect the truth about Sirius. Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:04:05 PM 1437 Views
I re-read a couple weeks ago, and I was highly amused by all the little things she worked in nossy - 14/07/2010 04:09:19 AM 1578 Views
Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Camilla - 14/07/2010 09:18:35 PM 1708 Views
Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Deadsy - 14/07/2010 10:30:23 PM 1525 Views
Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Camilla - 14/07/2010 10:55:01 PM 1472 Views
Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Deadsy - 14/07/2010 11:05:59 PM 1499 Views
I can answer your consistency question! Cockatiel of Doom - 15/07/2010 02:35:42 AM 1634 Views
You are a clever cookie. Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:14:25 AM 1506 Views
Yes nossy - 15/07/2010 03:30:36 PM 1359 Views
Ooh, yes. Cockatiel of Doom - 16/07/2010 12:19:13 AM 1331 Views
More stuff (chapters 12-17) Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:55:34 PM 1389 Views
Re: More stuff (chapters 12-17) Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1459 Views
Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 Cockatiel of Doom - 17/07/2010 04:23:15 PM 1620 Views
Re: Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 Camilla - 17/07/2010 04:28:04 PM 1497 Views
Re: Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 aria - 17/07/2010 07:12:39 PM 1747 Views
I like it. Thank you. Cockatiel of Doom - 20/07/2010 12:53:37 AM 1665 Views
What made this book (and the rest of the series) such a success? Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:33:00 AM 1603 Views
I have no idea *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:47:58 PM 1660 Views
I agree... StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:19:59 PM 1691 Views
I think it was mostly because it was a simple narrative with an identifiable protagnonist. Chas - 13/07/2010 11:59:06 PM 1610 Views
It has tons of things in it that every kid dreams of doing Deadsy - 14/07/2010 01:56:05 PM 1610 Views
Kid? Camilla - 14/07/2010 02:01:30 PM 1624 Views
so do I. I was just trying to act mature *NM* Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:08:01 PM 1014 Views
Not even just the super stuff Deadsy mentions. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:38:46 PM 1734 Views
It's a simple, well-done little book. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:46:48 PM 1597 Views
you don't read instructions, do you? Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:49:24 PM 1646 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:50:23 PM 1588 Views
Re: Heh. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:51:40 PM 1597 Views
Awwww! Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:52:19 PM 1494 Views
Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:52:52 PM 1619 Views
Wha? Nate - 12/07/2010 07:50:44 PM 1634 Views
Re: Wha? Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:52:21 PM 1621 Views
Pff. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:54:54 PM 1618 Views
*NM* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:56:03 PM 1017 Views
When did you pick up this book? Dark Knight - 12/07/2010 11:30:46 PM 1541 Views
I was 10. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:13:44 AM 1688 Views
Ah book orders...man you just brought back nostalgic memories. I miss being a kid Dark Knight - 13/07/2010 04:42:12 AM 1737 Views
I was 16. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 08:24:02 AM 1613 Views
1999 Camilla - 13/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1603 Views
What do you mean by adult version? aria - 13/07/2010 02:15:40 PM 1715 Views
Re: What do you mean by adult version? Camilla - 13/07/2010 02:17:40 PM 1589 Views
They started publishing copies with 'adult' covers so people wouldn't be caught out reading Chas - 13/07/2010 11:53:46 PM 1666 Views
Just before the first movie came out aria - 13/07/2010 02:17:42 PM 1761 Views
When Prisoner of Azkaban was a hardback. Elaine - 13/07/2010 02:23:57 PM 1604 Views
Got a boxed set for Christmas when Order of the Phoenix came out in hardback. StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:06:42 PM 1657 Views
Just after Goblet of Fire was published. Chas - 13/07/2010 11:50:38 PM 1666 Views
Just before Goblet of Fire came out. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:04:21 AM 1640 Views
The first five were out, waited for HBP. Seriana Sedai - 14/07/2010 06:20:39 AM 1738 Views
You're making me want to talk about toadface Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:06:25 PM 1655 Views
Sorry! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:36:11 AM 1689 Views
Very early. Beginning of 1999, so it had just come out in the States. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/07/2010 08:54:06 AM 1006 Views
I held out quite awhile because I don't like "fads" Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:04:37 PM 1569 Views
Lol! aria - 14/07/2010 08:54:47 PM 1689 Views
I did the same thing. Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:39:16 AM 1675 Views
Re: I did the same thing. Deadsy - 15/07/2010 10:01:04 AM 1860 Views
Re: I did the same thing. Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 05:44:28 PM 1732 Views
I would have, if I had known there was hype. I know I would have. nossy - 15/07/2010 03:28:50 PM 1697 Views
Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 05:47:01 PM 1752 Views
I think I was first! Monkey - 23/07/2010 07:05:08 PM 1700 Views
Aged 13 or 14 - a while before the first movie (which was Christmas 2001). *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:13:55 PM 985 Views
Jesus Christ. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:04:46 PM 1710 Views
^That was me. *NM* Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 982 Views
I was going to ask if it was. *NM* Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:04:59 PM 966 Views
Aw. I was just feeling flattered as I didn't think Tor had read that many of my posts. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:15:52 AM 1001 Views
Besides, you've met me, you should know how old I am. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:16:23 AM 1043 Views
I am very bad at guessing age when I meet people in person Camilla - 27/07/2010 09:05:35 AM 2207 Views
Suggestions for the Re-read Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:33:25 AM 1627 Views
I like it so far Camilla - 13/07/2010 10:16:49 AM 1644 Views
I can try that for the next book. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 11:21:01 PM 1623 Views
This is my first official time participating and its been fun so far! StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:16:48 PM 1572 Views
Unfortunately, no. (Silly me, pretending someone's still going to read all my posts... ) *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:20:35 PM 1003 Views
Can we get chapter discussions everyday? *NM* Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 06:40:30 PM 952 Views
Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death... fionwe1987 - 15/07/2010 05:16:45 AM 1963 Views
Because they were tricked? They considered Peter and Sirius to be brothers. Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 07:05:27 AM 1620 Views
That's nonsense.. fionwe1987 - 16/07/2010 01:08:40 AM 1532 Views
Take it up with Rowling, since you don't believe me. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/07/2010 08:19:58 AM 899 Views
What's there to believe? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:03:13 AM 1625 Views
Peter + Sirius = family. I don't know how to explain it more simply. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/07/2010 08:58:20 AM 1024 Views
Re: That's nonsense.. eucatastrophe - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM 1738 Views
Also Camilla - 16/07/2010 11:17:51 AM 1969 Views
You are correct! There is no inconsistency eucatastrophe - 17/07/2010 04:17:35 AM 1661 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:57:58 AM 1543 Views
But Camilla explained it! eucatastrophe - 18/07/2010 09:27:55 AM 1863 Views
Correction Camilla - 18/07/2010 10:58:59 AM 1648 Views
I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:42:18 PM 1557 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 05:51:36 PM 1572 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:17:04 PM 1880 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 06:28:27 PM 1574 Views
That bothers me too. aria - 18/07/2010 07:17:14 PM 1637 Views
Re: That bothers me too. Camilla - 18/07/2010 07:20:44 PM 1493 Views
Yet... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:47:56 PM 1577 Views
Re: Yet... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:02:31 PM 1622 Views
To quote Dumbledore... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 05:57:23 AM 1523 Views
Again... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:35:10 PM 1810 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:00:55 PM 1595 Views
Re: Again... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 06:33:13 AM 1790 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 20/07/2010 04:45:16 PM 1609 Views
Yet another load of bosh. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 01:00:14 AM 1597 Views
Then let's leave it. Camilla - 21/07/2010 06:48:45 AM 1694 Views
Re: Then let's leave it. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 04:19:35 PM 1621 Views
My two cents Seriana Sedai - 19/07/2010 06:11:30 AM 1668 Views
It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... DomA - 14/09/2010 12:11:20 AM 2043 Views
Re: It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... Camilla - 14/09/2010 09:20:46 AM 1505 Views
You have to wonder if that's actually true. Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:23:31 PM 1580 Views
Re: You have to wonder if that's actually true. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:06:43 PM 1690 Views
I don't know that I'd call it "see through Pettigrew"... Legolas - 26/07/2010 06:22:19 PM 1603 Views
^That was me, too. Oh, dear. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:56:43 PM 1771 Views
Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house aria - 18/07/2010 07:14:21 PM 1555 Views
Re: Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house Tor - 26/07/2010 05:07:48 PM 1893 Views
^ And this, too, was me. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:58:07 PM 1609 Views
Re: ^ And this, too, was me. Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:05:41 PM 1545 Views
Camilla - 26/07/2010 10:07:36 PM 1424 Views
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