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Re: That's nonsense.. eucatastrophe Send a noteboard - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM
We're told that the Potters knew that someone close to them was Voldy's mole. That's precisely why Dumbledore offered himself as Secret Keeper.

The question is why didn't he suggest that Lily or James should take the job?



Firstly, they did not know for sure, they (James, Sirius, Lupin, DD) only suspected. As Ghavrel mentions, it was unthinkable to them that someone close to them was passing information, in spite of all the evidence cropping up and pointing to this very fact.

As to your question, what if at that time, no one knew the effect of having the subjects of the Fidelius Charm as Secret Keepers? As we've seen from the books, the wizarding world is still unearthing magical secrets (Wolfsbane Potion, Marauders' Map, the Deluminator) so what if this was something Dumbledore figured out recently?

Anyways, I think it has more to do with the fact that being a friend to the Potters equalled to being their kin.

The concept of the spell was probably not as well developed when Rowling wrote The Philosopher's Stone. Some may see it as a plot hole. I don't; I think if Ms. Rowling saw this as a plot hole, she did a marvellous job working around it.
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But I thought all girls were made of sugar and spice and everything nice? - 15/07/2010 09:26:53 PM 1440 Views
Oh, we are. - 15/07/2010 09:35:17 PM 1343 Views
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Gin - 15/07/2010 09:49:33 PM 1464 Views
I was 16. - 15/07/2010 10:49:33 PM 1339 Views
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Heresy! - 15/07/2010 10:55:28 PM 1394 Views
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In fairness, it's Hogwarts itself that is all but impregnable. - 26/07/2010 03:55:02 PM 1454 Views
A funny thing I noticed - 15/07/2010 09:00:42 PM 1565 Views
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Harry's anger management issues? - 12/07/2010 07:14:58 PM 1499 Views
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Nah, not deliberate. - 12/07/2010 09:14:20 PM 1597 Views
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This response implies the experience of being both?? - 13/07/2010 03:23:29 PM 1493 Views
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Ooh, yes. - 16/07/2010 12:19:13 AM 1325 Views
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Kid? - 14/07/2010 02:01:30 PM 1618 Views
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you don't read instructions, do you? - 12/07/2010 07:49:24 PM 1637 Views
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I was 10. - 13/07/2010 04:13:44 AM 1680 Views
I was 16. - 13/07/2010 08:24:02 AM 1605 Views
1999 - 13/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1596 Views
What do you mean by adult version? - 13/07/2010 02:15:40 PM 1707 Views
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Just before the first movie came out - 13/07/2010 02:17:42 PM 1753 Views
When Prisoner of Azkaban was a hardback. - 13/07/2010 02:23:57 PM 1597 Views
Just after Goblet of Fire was published. - 13/07/2010 11:50:38 PM 1661 Views
Just before Goblet of Fire came out. - 14/07/2010 04:04:21 AM 1632 Views
The first five were out, waited for HBP. - 14/07/2010 06:20:39 AM 1731 Views
You're making me want to talk about toadface - 14/07/2010 02:06:25 PM 1646 Views
Sorry! - 15/07/2010 06:36:11 AM 1682 Views
I held out quite awhile because I don't like "fads" - 14/07/2010 02:04:37 PM 1561 Views
Lol! - 14/07/2010 08:54:47 PM 1682 Views
I did the same thing. - 15/07/2010 06:39:16 AM 1667 Views
Re: I did the same thing. - 15/07/2010 10:01:04 AM 1854 Views
Re: I did the same thing. - 15/07/2010 05:44:28 PM 1725 Views
I would have, if I had known there was hype. I know I would have. - 15/07/2010 03:28:50 PM 1690 Views
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I think I was first! - 23/07/2010 07:05:08 PM 1693 Views
Aged 13 or 14 - a while before the first movie (which was Christmas 2001). *NM* - 26/07/2010 04:13:55 PM 981 Views
Jesus Christ. - 26/07/2010 05:04:46 PM 1700 Views
^That was me. *NM* - 26/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 979 Views
I was going to ask if it was. *NM* - 26/07/2010 10:04:59 PM 962 Views
Suggestions for the Re-read - 12/07/2010 08:33:25 AM 1620 Views
I like it so far - 13/07/2010 10:16:49 AM 1638 Views
I can try that for the next book. - 13/07/2010 11:21:01 PM 1615 Views
Can we get chapter discussions everyday? *NM* - 15/07/2010 06:40:30 PM 950 Views
Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death... - 15/07/2010 05:16:45 AM 1957 Views
Because they were tricked? They considered Peter and Sirius to be brothers. - 15/07/2010 07:05:27 AM 1611 Views
That's nonsense.. - 16/07/2010 01:08:40 AM 1525 Views
Take it up with Rowling, since you don't believe me. *NM* - 16/07/2010 08:19:58 AM 897 Views
What's there to believe? - 18/07/2010 06:03:13 AM 1616 Views
Re: That's nonsense.. - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM 1734 Views
Also - 16/07/2010 11:17:51 AM 1962 Views
You are correct! There is no inconsistency - 17/07/2010 04:17:35 AM 1655 Views
Huh? - 18/07/2010 05:57:58 AM 1536 Views
But Camilla explained it! - 18/07/2010 09:27:55 AM 1856 Views
Correction - 18/07/2010 10:58:59 AM 1641 Views
I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... - 18/07/2010 05:42:18 PM 1552 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... - 18/07/2010 05:51:36 PM 1565 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... - 18/07/2010 06:17:04 PM 1872 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... - 18/07/2010 06:28:27 PM 1569 Views
That bothers me too. - 18/07/2010 07:17:14 PM 1631 Views
Re: That bothers me too. - 18/07/2010 07:20:44 PM 1481 Views
Yet... - 18/07/2010 07:47:56 PM 1570 Views
Re: Yet... - 18/07/2010 08:02:31 PM 1612 Views
To quote Dumbledore... - 19/07/2010 05:57:23 AM 1516 Views
Again... - 18/07/2010 07:35:10 PM 1803 Views
Re: Again... - 18/07/2010 08:00:55 PM 1587 Views
Re: Again... - 19/07/2010 06:33:13 AM 1785 Views
Re: Again... - 20/07/2010 04:45:16 PM 1603 Views
Yet another load of bosh. - 21/07/2010 01:00:14 AM 1591 Views
Then let's leave it. - 21/07/2010 06:48:45 AM 1690 Views
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My two cents - 19/07/2010 06:11:30 AM 1663 Views
It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... - 14/09/2010 12:11:20 AM 2036 Views
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You have to wonder if that's actually true. - 26/07/2010 04:23:31 PM 1569 Views
Re: You have to wonder if that's actually true. - 26/07/2010 05:06:43 PM 1684 Views
I don't know that I'd call it "see through Pettigrew"... - 26/07/2010 06:22:19 PM 1593 Views
^That was me, too. Oh, dear. - 26/07/2010 09:56:43 PM 1763 Views
Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house - 18/07/2010 07:14:21 PM 1549 Views
Re: Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house - 26/07/2010 05:07:48 PM 1884 Views
^ And this, too, was me. - 26/07/2010 09:58:07 PM 1599 Views
Re: ^ And this, too, was me. - 26/07/2010 10:05:41 PM 1535 Views
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