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You hit the nail on the head. Seriana Sedai Send a noteboard - 13/07/2010 12:20:19 AM
Since this is a children's book, the characters are, at this stage, very black and white. The Dursley's have no redeeming features at all, and Harry is very obviously written to garner sympathy. That said, I don't find that offputting. There's enough humour in her descriptions to prevent the characterisation from becoming heavy handed.


Indeed. They are mere sketches at this point, but she shades them later on.

Love that she uses the same things to appeal to boys and girls. Best example of this is Harry's room under the stairs. He's used to spiders, which would make the girls pity him because they think spiders are horrible, and pity's a great way to get little girls to like Harry. Whereas the boys will love that he's not scared of the spiders, which makes up for the fact that he's a dinky little wimpy thing. That lack of fear of the horrible hairy things will help boys to respect him.


Ick, the spiders. *shudder*

And before you tell me off for thinking in such glaring steroetypes: that really is how little girls and boys are. I know. I have loads of cousins around the target age of these books when they came out. That's pretty much how they react to things like that. ;)


I wasn't going to tell you off. That is definitely how I reacted to that scene.

I like also that Rowling gives something to the adults as well. The Dursleys are such social climbers, proper unpleasant middle class, and that would make a lot of grown ups chuckle a wee bit. Underneath it, though, you can see that Aunt Petunia at least does properly love her son, revolting ball of lard that he is. There's a little shade of grey there for older readers to appreciate.


Yes. I love the description of the Dursleys. It is wonderful how their middle-classness (using that as short-hand for all their traits here -- it is a stereotype which she makes the most of) makes them almost as off-putting as the Death-Eaters who kill hordes of people.

As for the wizarding types: Dumbledore's very quickly set as an eccentric with his love of sweets, but we're also introduced to his wisdom. McGonagall is clearly defined as the strong, steady, somewhat tartarish teacher, and Hagrid is the loveable scruff. Simple but effective.


Indeed. It is part of what I mean by her having the technique, if not the strength in wording. She knows how to characterise. And she keeps this up throughout the books. They are not necessarily terribly subtle sketches, but they are swift and highly effective.

Not subtle, but highly effective. I couldn't think of the right words, but you did. It is great for the first book because we are instantly familiar but there is room for them to develop. Sometimes characters like that feel forced, but I don't feel that about any of the characters in Harry Potter.
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Harry Potter Re-read: The Philosopher's Stone - Final section underway! (& next book plans) Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:27:51 AM 3021 Views
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Characterisation *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:02 AM 896 Views
My thoughts, such as they are. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:09:55 PM 1649 Views
Agree. She gave us enough to make it interesting. StormCrow - 12/07/2010 06:45:46 PM 1621 Views
Re: My thoughts, such as they are. *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:43:49 PM 1605 Views
You hit the nail on the head. Seriana Sedai - 13/07/2010 12:20:19 AM 1535 Views
Re: You hit the nail on the head. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:51:45 AM 1453 Views
Writing style *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 882 Views
A couple of points. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:10:20 PM 1483 Views
It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:18:14 PM 1663 Views
True. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 1589 Views
Re: It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Tor - 12/07/2010 09:31:11 PM 1714 Views
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Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:03:26 AM 1634 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:54:40 AM 1589 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 01:14:01 PM 1654 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 13/07/2010 01:15:23 PM 1432 Views
Early themes *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:37 AM 902 Views
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On Ginny: Kronin al'Sulc - 12/07/2010 10:36:47 PM 1570 Views
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So much (chapters 1-3) *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:35:57 PM 1724 Views
Hm. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:38:05 PM 1536 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:39:08 PM 1607 Views
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I have no idea *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:47:58 PM 1653 Views
I agree... StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:19:59 PM 1682 Views
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Kid? Camilla - 14/07/2010 02:01:30 PM 1618 Views
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you don't read instructions, do you? Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:49:24 PM 1637 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:50:23 PM 1580 Views
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Wha? Nate - 12/07/2010 07:50:44 PM 1627 Views
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Pff. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:54:54 PM 1609 Views
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I was 10. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:13:44 AM 1680 Views
Ah book orders...man you just brought back nostalgic memories. I miss being a kid Dark Knight - 13/07/2010 04:42:12 AM 1729 Views
I was 16. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 08:24:02 AM 1605 Views
1999 Camilla - 13/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1596 Views
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Re: What do you mean by adult version? Camilla - 13/07/2010 02:17:40 PM 1584 Views
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When Prisoner of Azkaban was a hardback. Elaine - 13/07/2010 02:23:57 PM 1597 Views
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You're making me want to talk about toadface Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:06:25 PM 1646 Views
Sorry! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:36:11 AM 1682 Views
Very early. Beginning of 1999, so it had just come out in the States. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/07/2010 08:54:06 AM 1002 Views
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Lol! aria - 14/07/2010 08:54:47 PM 1681 Views
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Re: I did the same thing. Deadsy - 15/07/2010 10:01:04 AM 1854 Views
Re: I did the same thing. Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 05:44:28 PM 1725 Views
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Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 05:47:01 PM 1746 Views
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Aged 13 or 14 - a while before the first movie (which was Christmas 2001). *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:13:55 PM 981 Views
Jesus Christ. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:04:46 PM 1700 Views
^That was me. *NM* Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 979 Views
I was going to ask if it was. *NM* Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:04:59 PM 962 Views
Aw. I was just feeling flattered as I didn't think Tor had read that many of my posts. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:15:52 AM 998 Views
Besides, you've met me, you should know how old I am. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:16:23 AM 1039 Views
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Suggestions for the Re-read Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:33:25 AM 1620 Views
I like it so far Camilla - 13/07/2010 10:16:49 AM 1638 Views
I can try that for the next book. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 11:21:01 PM 1615 Views
This is my first official time participating and its been fun so far! StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:16:48 PM 1563 Views
Unfortunately, no. (Silly me, pretending someone's still going to read all my posts... ) *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:20:35 PM 998 Views
Can we get chapter discussions everyday? *NM* Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 06:40:30 PM 950 Views
Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death... fionwe1987 - 15/07/2010 05:16:45 AM 1957 Views
Because they were tricked? They considered Peter and Sirius to be brothers. Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 07:05:27 AM 1611 Views
That's nonsense.. fionwe1987 - 16/07/2010 01:08:40 AM 1525 Views
Take it up with Rowling, since you don't believe me. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/07/2010 08:19:58 AM 897 Views
What's there to believe? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:03:13 AM 1616 Views
Peter + Sirius = family. I don't know how to explain it more simply. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/07/2010 08:58:20 AM 1021 Views
Re: That's nonsense.. eucatastrophe - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM 1733 Views
Also Camilla - 16/07/2010 11:17:51 AM 1962 Views
You are correct! There is no inconsistency eucatastrophe - 17/07/2010 04:17:35 AM 1655 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:57:58 AM 1536 Views
But Camilla explained it! eucatastrophe - 18/07/2010 09:27:55 AM 1856 Views
Correction Camilla - 18/07/2010 10:58:59 AM 1641 Views
I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:42:18 PM 1552 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 05:51:36 PM 1564 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:17:04 PM 1871 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 06:28:27 PM 1568 Views
That bothers me too. aria - 18/07/2010 07:17:14 PM 1630 Views
Re: That bothers me too. Camilla - 18/07/2010 07:20:44 PM 1481 Views
Yet... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:47:56 PM 1570 Views
Re: Yet... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:02:31 PM 1612 Views
To quote Dumbledore... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 05:57:23 AM 1516 Views
Again... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:35:10 PM 1803 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:00:55 PM 1587 Views
Re: Again... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 06:33:13 AM 1784 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 20/07/2010 04:45:16 PM 1603 Views
Yet another load of bosh. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 01:00:14 AM 1591 Views
Then let's leave it. Camilla - 21/07/2010 06:48:45 AM 1690 Views
Re: Then let's leave it. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 04:19:35 PM 1614 Views
My two cents Seriana Sedai - 19/07/2010 06:11:30 AM 1663 Views
It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... DomA - 14/09/2010 12:11:20 AM 2036 Views
Re: It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... Camilla - 14/09/2010 09:20:46 AM 1500 Views
You have to wonder if that's actually true. Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:23:31 PM 1569 Views
Re: You have to wonder if that's actually true. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:06:43 PM 1684 Views
I don't know that I'd call it "see through Pettigrew"... Legolas - 26/07/2010 06:22:19 PM 1592 Views
^That was me, too. Oh, dear. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:56:43 PM 1763 Views
Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house aria - 18/07/2010 07:14:21 PM 1549 Views
Re: Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house Tor - 26/07/2010 05:07:48 PM 1884 Views
^ And this, too, was me. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:58:07 PM 1599 Views
Re: ^ And this, too, was me. Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:05:41 PM 1535 Views
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