I had a couple of issues with the book that I could easily see being removed from the movie
Brian Send a noteboard - 07/09/2009 07:01:40 PM
In other words...I may have to check that out.
It would depend on what you disliked about the book. It's essentially a greatly simplified version of the book's story, and the acting's pretty solid, with Julianna Margulies and Angelica Huston among others iirc.
My biggest issue was Bradley's overpowering method of pushing her own agenda and beliefs in the book. She tried creating this book with all these feminist ideas and ended up creating a bunch of female characters that were almost entirely loathsome, and male characters that were so incredibly stupid that you couldn't respect them. It seemed like by the end there were no characters left for you to sympathize with. I know that you're supposed to identify with Morgaine, but I found it impossible. There were a number of points in the book where you thought you had finally seen some sort of character growth, only to find you'd been bamboozled when two paragraphs later the character is back to being the same tired stereotype they've been through the entire book. Even Morgaine showed little or no growth from the start to the finish of the book.
I also wasn't a huge fan of the way that people would look at one another and basically be able to tell everything about them. There must have been dozens of times in the book where someone would look at someone else and fall in love, or know that they were in love with someone. It got old really fast.
The other thing I would have liked to see was a bit more work on the descriptions in the book. Bradley's style of description was quite lacking, with such simple descriptions as "the castle was old gray rock" instead of describing the castle itself. This is a common criticism of character driven works, but in the fantasy genre one comes to expect a bit more descriptiveness about the setting to help draw you deeper into the story...and this was sadly lacking. Bradley relied too much on the readers preconceived notions of Arthurian settings, and I think it was a big shortcoming in her book.
There was quite a bit more about the book that I hated, but I guess I could sum it up by saying that I don't really think it was the story that was lacking, rather I think it was the characters and the writing. Bradley is a quite capable author, I've read many of her Darkover books and enjoyed them, but I couldn't enjoy this book even though I went into it really wanting to. A little more subtlety, a little character growth, and some adequate descriptions and I might have enjoyed the book. As it is, I hated it. In spite of that I do actually intend to give it one more chance; I'm going to read through it again to see if I can't ignore, or at least put on the backburner, some of the things that bothered me so much the first time through.
Edit: though I say "feminist" I wouldn't exactly call what she's pushing as feminist ideology. Feminist ideology I have no problems with...I'm just not entirely sure what to call Bradley's agenda in this book, and I think it may have been what she thought feminism should be.
This message last edited by Brian on 07/09/2009 at 07:04:30 PM
So...what books DON'T you like?
06/09/2009 04:57:28 AM
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I have a couple I really disliked
06/09/2009 05:28:38 AM
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Some examples
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You think Battlefield Earth is bad, try reading his Mission Earth series. *NM*
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I read those in high school. I liked them. Stupid comic escapism. *NM*
08/09/2009 02:18:31 AM
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I read them when I was in high school too...at least the first 3 or 4
08/09/2009 02:47:12 AM
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Re: I read them when I was in high school too...at least the first 3 or 4
08/09/2009 04:18:07 PM
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Re: I read them when I was in high school too...at least the first 3 or 4
08/09/2009 06:26:00 PM
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No, thanks. I think all my masochism got spent on Terry Goodkind *NM*
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Political polemics, for one. Utopian novels, for another.
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I don't have enough hours in the day to detail this or something even worse
06/09/2009 05:45:35 AM
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Oh, a lot of things. But I wonder.
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Re: Oh, a lot of things. But I wonder.
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Oh plenty
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I like all books I have ever read.
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Canterbury Tales by Chaucer. In Ye Olde English, it's harder to translate than ancient Greek. *NM*
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The Canterbury Tales are not Old English. They are Middle English.
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Indeed, translating old english, and reading middle english are very very different
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As I'm translating some ancient Greek right now, I call bullshit on that. *NM*
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I was going to, but I felt I had already been pedantic enough. *NM*
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The Clan of the Cave Bear by Jean M. Auel
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Dubliners and A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
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I liked a Portrait of the Artist, personally, though the (lack of real) punctuation grated *NM*
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I didn't mind Portrait of the Artist as a Young Dog...I mean Man
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What?
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Oh, and maybe it was lost on me, but I never got much joy out of War and Peace
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Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norell.
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Don't flame me for saying it....
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One last one: Mists of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley *NM*
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Have you ever seen the mini-series?
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Never have I seen such good acting in such a dreadful movie/mini-series.
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I love really really bad TV movies sometimes....they make for lots of laughter
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Actually, you might like it. As in, think it's good.
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I had a couple of issues with the book that I could easily see being removed from the movie
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A Confederacy of Dunces.
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Crap. That's two people now.
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