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Re: You have an almost cult-like enthusiasm for e-books. Aemon Send a noteboard - 06/09/2009 05:24:48 AM
This unhealthy need to convince others bothers me.


We're on a message board. I could post saying "I like ebooks, and you don't, and that's ok! The end." and we'd all go home happy, and have no need whatsoever for this website. I like one thing, you like the other, we extoll the virtues of our choices; that's how discussion works in a place like this. Have you LOOKED at the other posts on this board? Half the posts here are people telling other people how awesome author x is, how they're better than y, and how other people should read them. I'm not some fringe obsessee here.

And that's where you JUST DON'T GET IT. Most of the people who don't like e-books don't like e-books because part of the experience is holding the book, leafing through the pages, looking at the pictures between pages x and y, feeling the tactile sensation of the bond of paper used, smelling the fresh ink and keeping the books in a library with beautiful presentation and preservation. An e-book will never and CAN never provide that experience and that's why I do not like them and WILL not like them.


Listen. It's not me who doesn't get it. A couple years ago I was in your shoes. I'd never tried ebooks, didn't like the sound of them, owned a large book collection including some leather bound, some signed, etc. I loved books. Still do. Then I tried an ebook reader, and liked it better. It was different; I lost things like the smell of a book, the feel of the paper, and the other stuff you mentioned. But I gained a lighter, easier to read book, faster page turning (less story interruption), better fonts, etc. Plus there's a tactile element to ereaders, too. Most have nice leather covers, cool, smooth metal, etc. I understand that there are things you just can't get from readers, but there are things you can't get from readers too, and, in my opinion, the reader is a nicer experience.

The thing is, I've tried both. Extensively. If there's anyone here who JUST DOESN'T GET IT (caps are awesome! :D), I don't think it's me. I felt just like you do, and changed my mind. Until you give a reader a chance, you can't know whether you might too.

You would have as much luck convincing people who intentionally buy vinyl records to switch to mp3s for their music. Explaining how they can carry around all their music in an ipod, or that the medium won't degrade, or that they don't have to worry about leaving their collection in a locked car on a hot day, or that they don't crack or break, means nothing.


Could I convince them? Nope. Would a lot of them convince themselves if they'd make themselves try the new method? Yep.

I don't mind people who try both and decide they're just so attached to the nostalgia of the old way that they can't make the switch. If you really like it better, fine! Don't call me out and tell me I don't understand, though, when you're the one who hasn't tried it.

I don't need to try an e-reader to know why I don't like them, just like a vinyl lover doesn't need to try an ipod. It's about much more than convenience or conveying information. It's about a philosophy, a way of life and an aesthetic preference, and there is simply no way you can compete with that. I would have thought that you had gotten enough answers from other people here to figure that out for yourself.


Most of the people responding to me in this thread said that they were willing to give ebooks a try, in spite of not liking the idea. Who knows what they'll decide, but it's not like I've gotten a bad reception.

As to your first argument. . .I mean, there's not much else I can say. I think if you asked most rational people, they'd agree that you can't be sure whether you like something better than something else until you've tried both. We're not talking a stick in the eye, here.

Me: "You won't know till you try it."
You: "Yes I will."
Me: "Why?"
You: "I just will."

If that's the way it is, I guess there's not much else to debate. /shrug
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Yes and no. - 05/09/2009 02:49:26 AM 1110 Views
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AbsoLUTEly nothin'. Sorry. *NM* - 06/09/2009 02:29:59 AM 336 Views
I do love the feel and sensation of books. - 09/09/2009 02:38:57 AM 803 Views

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