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But I think that is Lem's point. everynametaken Send a noteboard - 23/04/2010 03:20:18 AM
That is your conclusion, but it's certainly not something that Lem said. We don't even know if Solaris had any intelligence.


I don't know that it was intelligent, that's just how I saw it, or, you might say, wanted to see it.


Lem would probably argue that we only think Solaris is intelligent because we are intelligent and then project that characteristic that belongs to us onto Solaris (in hopes that it will be true). In reality Lem is arguing that we will probably not recognize alien "intelligence" because it will have likely evolved in some ways different than us. It is an interesting philosophical argument he is making and what I had honestly never thought of until reading this book. But, I can see his point.
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Sci-Fi Book Club: SOLARIS by Stanislaw Lem - 19/04/2010 05:50:45 PM 1990 Views
Roll-Call: Have you read it? Are you reading it? Like it: Yes/NO? *NM* - 19/04/2010 05:52:00 PM 691 Views
I read it back in January. - 19/04/2010 06:23:29 PM 1267 Views
I read it years ago, and liked it. *NM* - 19/04/2010 06:41:36 PM 655 Views
I just finished it. - 19/04/2010 06:54:49 PM 1246 Views
Well, to be fair, - 20/04/2010 08:12:17 PM 1152 Views
Heh. - 21/04/2010 08:31:51 AM 1389 Views
Re: Well, to be fair, - 12/05/2010 09:06:06 PM 1125 Views
That was how I felt too. - 20/04/2010 11:39:15 PM 980 Views
I read it 3 years ago, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 06:58:37 PM 1479 Views
I read it, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 07:33:16 PM 1255 Views
I plan to - 19/04/2010 07:41:21 PM 1369 Views
I might re-read it in a few days - 19/04/2010 09:11:35 PM 1175 Views
I'm currently reading it - 20/04/2010 10:00:05 AM 1425 Views
That has always bothered me too. - 20/04/2010 08:20:56 PM 1067 Views
Indeed - 11/05/2010 03:02:26 PM 1104 Views
It was a while since I've read it - 22/04/2010 05:33:44 AM 1083 Views
I have started reading it - 11/05/2010 11:10:53 AM 1026 Views
Translation: - 19/04/2010 05:54:57 PM 1314 Views
I read it in Russian, which was very close to the original. - 19/04/2010 06:25:00 PM 1293 Views
I'm not sure now, I think I read it in Dutch. - 19/04/2010 06:43:30 PM 1220 Views
English translation by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox (1970). - 19/04/2010 06:56:54 PM 1186 Views
Translation of a translation, actually. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:22:18 PM 627 Views
Yes, I did read Jake's intro piece there. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:23:44 PM 633 Views
I figured you were not accurate enough. - 19/04/2010 07:26:54 PM 1174 Views
Pffft. Accuracy is for nerds. - 19/04/2010 07:31:52 PM 1266 Views
That was the one I read. - 20/04/2010 01:43:01 AM 1398 Views
I read it in Czech - 19/04/2010 07:40:05 PM 1440 Views
I also read a Swedish translation. - 19/04/2010 07:41:31 PM 1546 Views
1970 translation from French to English by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox - 20/04/2010 02:20:42 AM 1295 Views
I have a different opinion on this. - 20/04/2010 08:17:06 PM 1198 Views
I've read it in Polish - 22/04/2010 05:32:33 AM 1024 Views
Re: So it's flat and boring? - 23/04/2010 09:50:38 PM 1150 Views
Re: Does anyone know why the Polish publishers haven't commissioned another translation? - 24/04/2010 10:04:38 AM 1141 Views
Rights issues, I beieve - 24/04/2010 10:48:53 AM 1174 Views
So 'we' have read the novel in 6 different languages. - 27/04/2010 09:20:02 PM 1036 Views
I read the English from French translation - 12/05/2010 09:10:42 PM 1007 Views
This was my general experience as well. - 17/05/2010 06:53:58 PM 1060 Views
I probably got more out of it than I first thought. - 20/04/2010 11:37:52 PM 1000 Views
Re: I do that too! - 23/04/2010 09:51:39 PM 996 Views
It is certainly a book that makes you think... - 26/04/2010 09:46:31 PM 1040 Views
Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 02:33:21 PM 1210 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 08:44:24 PM 1192 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 12/05/2010 09:19:31 PM 1052 Views
Re: - 21/04/2010 09:09:02 PM 1124 Views
How do you know Solaris was an advanced intelligence? - 22/04/2010 01:20:35 AM 1054 Views
Fair enough. - 22/04/2010 09:04:58 PM 1116 Views
But I think that is Lem's point. - 23/04/2010 03:20:18 AM 1125 Views
Good point Tom. - 23/04/2010 03:14:23 AM 1022 Views
It's definitely literature - 22/04/2010 01:19:34 AM 986 Views
You might be winning me over to your thoughts here. - 26/04/2010 09:42:33 PM 968 Views
As long as you realize... - 26/04/2010 10:26:00 PM 1003 Views
This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 27/04/2010 05:49:39 PM 1067 Views
Re: This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 13/05/2010 10:15:38 AM 1083 Views
Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:51:27 PM 965 Views
Re: Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:53:13 PM 1094 Views
This book is definitely literature. - 23/04/2010 02:59:48 AM 1129 Views
Re: This discussion gives me hives. *NM* - 23/04/2010 09:52:09 PM 584 Views
Understandable. - 26/04/2010 07:31:08 PM 994 Views
Hmmm - 12/05/2010 09:18:42 PM 1086 Views
What didn't you enjoy? - 21/04/2010 09:47:06 PM 1002 Views
I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 22/04/2010 01:17:22 AM 959 Views
This was what I disliked too - 22/04/2010 05:46:05 AM 1171 Views
Re: I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 23/04/2010 03:33:14 AM 1035 Views
Re: I found it made this stark contrast with his descriptions of his own, more human environment. - 24/04/2010 09:56:40 AM 1240 Views
That is an interesting take. - 27/04/2010 05:53:23 PM 1087 Views
I didn't really find anything difficult about it. - 23/04/2010 03:38:48 AM 1074 Views
The only thing that bothered me... - 03/05/2010 07:06:42 PM 1212 Views
So, is there really anything to discuss about the story itself? - 22/04/2010 08:55:03 AM 1168 Views
Apparently not. - 22/04/2010 01:38:24 PM 1204 Views
True - 22/04/2010 09:29:53 PM 1027 Views
Point of fact, - 23/04/2010 02:53:47 PM 1077 Views
Perhaps it's time for a self-reevaluation then - 24/04/2010 10:45:44 AM 1410 Views
Thank you for telling me how I should prioritize my life, Larry. - 26/04/2010 04:54:01 PM 1218 Views
At least I am not as quick to repeat the same excuses - 26/04/2010 05:13:08 PM 1377 Views
I was originally gonna reply to your previous post, then decided not to. Guess I will now. - 26/04/2010 05:42:15 PM 1226 Views
Thank you. - 26/04/2010 07:41:17 PM 1169 Views
One point... - 26/04/2010 07:34:02 PM 1060 Views
Posting while irritated and about to crash does little good, it seems - 27/04/2010 06:20:19 PM 1146 Views
The delay to the review is my fault. I've got a mostly finished one. I'm just not happy with it. - 27/04/2010 07:19:35 PM 1100 Views
It wasn't the review I was irritated about, but thanks for doing it - 27/04/2010 07:39:08 PM 999 Views
Ah. OK. - 27/04/2010 07:47:09 PM 1171 Views
Thanks - 27/04/2010 07:58:54 PM 1057 Views
I'm a bit ambivalent on the merits of this approach of yours. - 26/04/2010 05:32:19 PM 1000 Views
You highlight my only frustration with the thread. - 26/04/2010 05:48:01 PM 1348 Views
Re: So what do you think about any of those things? - 23/04/2010 08:30:55 PM 1027 Views
A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 03:49:57 AM 1052 Views
I've only read one other book by him, The Cyberiad - 23/04/2010 04:03:19 AM 1158 Views
Re: A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 07:26:18 PM 1151 Views
Thanks. - 24/04/2010 06:42:05 AM 1161 Views
Yes - 24/04/2010 02:43:17 PM 1120 Views
My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem - 23/04/2010 02:50:10 AM 1385 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 23/04/2010 09:49:04 PM 1286 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 12/05/2010 09:35:48 PM 1189 Views
I came away with the same message you did on the first point. - 25/04/2010 04:46:09 PM 1028 Views
Re: My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem - 12/05/2010 09:31:32 PM 1153 Views
Re: So I have no team spirit and should be lynched. - 23/04/2010 09:41:48 PM 1024 Views
I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight. - 25/04/2010 04:27:34 AM 1026 Views
Solaris was, I hope, better than Avatar. - 25/04/2010 04:54:12 AM 982 Views
Misplaced answer . *NM* - 25/04/2010 04:40:27 PM 499 Views
On identity and communication: do we love only ourselves? - 25/04/2010 03:35:34 PM 1066 Views
The argument: (From the text and some thoughts) - 27/04/2010 06:22:34 PM 998 Views
Yes - 12/05/2010 10:10:30 PM 1157 Views
That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 06:58:48 PM 1101 Views
Re: That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 07:02:44 PM 1096 Views
That settles it. I am going to have to reread it. - 13/05/2010 12:23:14 AM 1030 Views
It is interesting you should say that. - 12/05/2010 09:56:26 PM 1287 Views
That is the second time this week that I have heard something about Derrida. Now I am going to have - 13/05/2010 12:02:56 AM 1143 Views
Derrida is great. - 13/05/2010 10:06:49 AM 1170 Views
Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 03:40:57 PM 1037 Views
I can't decide. - 25/04/2010 03:54:39 PM 1188 Views
An interesting point to consider... - 25/04/2010 10:41:17 PM 1181 Views
Re: I can't decide. - 12/05/2010 10:05:21 PM 987 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 10:31:58 PM 1164 Views
Ooohhhh. I like that theory. - 25/04/2010 11:32:15 PM 1146 Views
Does it make a difference? - 26/04/2010 07:29:44 PM 1003 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 12/05/2010 09:57:05 PM 1138 Views
What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 03:47:03 PM 1081 Views
Re: Does he let go of her? How independant is she of him? - 25/04/2010 04:07:33 PM 1150 Views
That's an interesting observation. - 26/04/2010 10:23:28 PM 1027 Views
Re: I was telling Tashmere... - 11/05/2010 11:05:09 AM 1170 Views
Re: What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 10:16:16 PM 1075 Views
Communication with the entirely other - 12/05/2010 10:01:37 PM 1106 Views
Did anyone else do any wondering what their own visitors would take the form of if they were there? - 26/04/2010 11:31:27 PM 1015 Views
Actually, no. It was obvious to me. *NM* - 26/04/2010 11:41:22 PM 488 Views
In a way yes. - 27/04/2010 06:33:43 PM 1105 Views
My father, perhaps. - 27/04/2010 08:55:18 PM 1009 Views
Ha. - 27/04/2010 09:16:56 PM 1036 Views

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