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Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM
Larry didn't call it an environmental novel (ie save the planet type thing)- he called it an ecological novel. Therein lies the confusion.


And by the definition he later gave for ecological, his point makes no sense. Every story no matter how good or bad has an ecology.

If what he meant was that Herbert was the first to create a Sci-Fi novel that could carry the same sort of distinction that is made between Fantasy and High Fantasy, he would have been better served to cut and paste from Wikipedia.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 1931 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1046 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1237 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1164 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1206 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 1052 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1166 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1214 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1022 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1054 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 916 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 892 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 884 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1016 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 431 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 947 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 928 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 964 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 913 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 945 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 870 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 960 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 901 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 983 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1047 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 900 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 909 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 795 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 950 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1023 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 919 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 923 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1399 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 457 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1109 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1062 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1127 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1317 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1067 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1259 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1141 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 944 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1510 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1312 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1264 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1195 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 945 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 400 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 405 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1162 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 896 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 845 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 839 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 933 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 847 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 762 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 886 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 769 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 997 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 965 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 944 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 852 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1113 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 839 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 796 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1065 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 811 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 885 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 846 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1188 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 997 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1035 Views
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