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Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM
Not much to comment on. "Dune Messiah" is my least favorite of the novels, and it acts as a stop-gap before Leto II and Ghanima accomplish what Paul did not want to do - force an evolution of humanity.

This novel is more about Paul's limitations and his lack of ease with his role. We see Alia pushing her limits constantly and increasing her muscular control and prophetic abilities to a level that Paul has not.

This novel is more like "Oedipus Rex" in that it is largely a tragedy that ends when the next generation of Atreides takes over the rulership from the prior generation.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 2228 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1306 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1522 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1448 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1468 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 1328 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1429 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1491 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1272 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1351 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 1187 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 1149 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 1120 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1322 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 560 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 1234 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 1196 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1249 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 1189 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 1205 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 1123 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 1246 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 1164 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 1269 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1301 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 1171 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 1148 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 1067 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 1216 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1304 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 1173 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 1165 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1723 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 602 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1360 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1320 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1407 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1582 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1333 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1504 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1405 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 1201 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1799 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1621 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1615 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1460 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 1201 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 528 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 531 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1937 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 1212 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 1130 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 1117 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 1222 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 1115 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 1046 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 1134 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 1079 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1259 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 1256 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 1217 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 1114 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1486 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 1090 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 1048 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1449 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 1103 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 1220 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 1113 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1474 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1292 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1342 Views
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