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Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM
Not much to comment on. "Dune Messiah" is my least favorite of the novels, and it acts as a stop-gap before Leto II and Ghanima accomplish what Paul did not want to do - force an evolution of humanity.

This novel is more about Paul's limitations and his lack of ease with his role. We see Alia pushing her limits constantly and increasing her muscular control and prophetic abilities to a level that Paul has not.

This novel is more like "Oedipus Rex" in that it is largely a tragedy that ends when the next generation of Atreides takes over the rulership from the prior generation.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 1810 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 959 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1119 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1052 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1087 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 932 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1055 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1085 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 924 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 922 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 809 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 791 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 761 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 893 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 383 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 865 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 812 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 843 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 806 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 826 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 764 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 851 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 794 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 878 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 930 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 788 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 804 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 712 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 837 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 915 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 806 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 819 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1286 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 413 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 997 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 945 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1025 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1199 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 954 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1155 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1015 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 830 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1392 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1188 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1115 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1071 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 828 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 358 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 363 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1059 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 805 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 710 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 728 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 832 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 731 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 654 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 761 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 659 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 885 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 869 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 840 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 741 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 995 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 732 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 700 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 953 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 707 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 769 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 753 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1079 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 890 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 909 Views
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