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Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM
My roommate is an ecology major, and studying "how organisms affect and are affected by other members, living and non-living alike, of local and global systems" seems to be exactly what he does. In fact, he just defined it to me now as "the study of interactions of organisms with one another and with their environment." Which is pretty much what Larry said, except Larry, to quote my roommate, "went one step further and defined 'environment.'"

So... I'm pretty sure what Larry said is a very correct and modern definition of the word "ecology."


Now talk to an english major and get the definition for conotative and denotative meaning.

Words and pharses have multiple meaning in english depending on context. How many different meanings can you communicate with the word "no"?

Archaic, as in not what the word conveys in common speech, in a given context. If I say "I am going to the theater." You will most likely think of movies, but what if I mean a play. If I say "I am going outside and burn a faggot", you will probably call the police to stop a murder, but what if I mean a cigarette, or perhaps to start a campfire. English is a tricky beast.

Make sense now?

The scientific and common definition/concept of a word offen are at odds. It is all about the context.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 2217 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1301 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1517 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1437 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1457 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 1322 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1417 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1483 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1266 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1342 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 1183 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 1141 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 1116 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1305 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 556 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 1227 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 1183 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1245 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 1179 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 1200 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 1116 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 1238 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 1155 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 1264 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1286 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 1163 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 1137 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 1053 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 1208 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1289 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 1166 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 1159 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1711 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 600 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1353 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1308 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1395 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1573 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1317 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1500 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1392 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 1190 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1792 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1617 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1611 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1455 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 1195 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 525 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 529 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1924 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 1202 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 1121 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 1111 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 1217 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 1106 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 1040 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 1130 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 1072 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1252 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 1250 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 1209 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 1104 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1478 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 1079 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 1037 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1439 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 1089 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 1213 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 1106 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1462 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1280 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1328 Views
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