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I've posted twenty odd sources to get you started. Weiramon Wine - 17/04/2004 11:38:02 AM

These are some of the major non-biblical references on the historical Jesus from my database. You should know, by the way, that the overwhelming majority of academic and professional historians accept that Jesus was a being (his miracles, resurrection, etc. are another matter).

This list should be plenty to get you started.

The Evidence from Roman or Roman Empire Sources:

Suetonius, Claudias 25.4. De Vita Caesarum

Life of Nero 16.2

Tacitus, Annals xv.44.

Pliny the Younger, Epistles x.96-97.

Julius Africanus on Thallus

Lucian of Samasota, The Passing of Peregrinus.

Source from a Syrian Philosopher
Mara bar Sarapion:

Josephus, Antiquities 18.116-19

Josephus, Antiquities 20.200,

Josephus, Antiquities 20.200

Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 1.1.7-8

Eusebius, Demonstration of the Gospel 3.5.105-06

Origen, Against Celsus 1.47

Origen, Commentary on Matthew 10.17.

Rabbinic Sources and Evidence of Debate with the Church Fathers:

b Sanh 43a and 107b

b ‘Abodah Zerah 27b, 16b-17a

Tosefta, Shehitat Hullin

‘Abodah Zerah 16b-17a

‘Abodah Zerah 27b

Justin, Dialogue 69:7

Justin, First Apology 30

Justin, Dialogue 108

Origen, Contra Celsum 1:68.

Justin’s Dialogue 69:7

Many of these titles have been translated into English and are available at University libraries.

Enjoy.


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...as he is in the drawing room!




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Evidence apart from the Bible of Jesus snoopster - 17/04/2004 10:11:22 AM 503 Views
Why? tehanu - 17/04/2004 10:39:29 AM 61 Views
Pays to know your competition snoopster - 17/04/2004 10:41:02 AM 1 Views
*shakes head sadly* wads - 17/04/2004 10:41:15 AM 1 Views
I blame that pom tehanu - 17/04/2004 11:12:30 AM 1 Views
I've posted twenty odd sources to get you started. Weiramon Wine - 17/04/2004 11:38:02 AM 89 Views
I'm impressed. ~adds to favorites so as to hunt sources later~ *NM* bcondray - 17/04/2004 11:46:10 AM 1 Views
(Blank subject) SynEve - 17/04/2004 12:09:24 PM 59 Views
It really should read Jesus of the Bible as the Bible is not chorabliss - 17/04/2004 01:07:26 PM 54 Views
Your sources are misleading... The Voice of Lews Therin - 17/04/2004 01:23:14 PM 1 Views
Thank you snoopster - 17/04/2004 01:39:48 PM 1 Views
Thanks *NM* snoopster - 17/04/2004 01:40:12 PM 1 Views
Thanks snoopster - 17/04/2004 01:41:14 PM 1 Views
Actually, I just missed out my commas snoopster - 17/04/2004 01:46:03 PM 1 Views
There are no contemporary, non-Christian records whatsoever The Voice of Lews Therin - 17/04/2004 02:08:14 PM 1 Views
Tacitus wrote at 100 AD--almost certainly just repeating a story. The Logic Ninja - 17/04/2004 03:38:02 PM 1 Views
There are none from his time. chorabliss - 17/04/2004 03:41:46 PM 1 Views
Especialyl when you consider The Logic Ninja - 17/04/2004 03:46:12 PM 1 Views
You're so... English. SynEve - 17/04/2004 05:52:33 PM 1 Views
Meh. SynEve - 17/04/2004 06:05:30 PM 1 Views
Sans those details, what do you have? The Logic Ninja - 17/04/2004 06:12:41 PM 1 Views
Weiramon Wine - 17/04/2004 07:15:33 PM 1 Views
True enough Weiramon Wine - 17/04/2004 07:18:04 PM 1 Views
Re: Your sources are misleading... Weiramon Wine - 17/04/2004 07:23:44 PM 1 Views
But contemporary info is what's important. The Logic Ninja - 17/04/2004 07:42:46 PM 1 Views
You haven't the slightest clue what you are talking about Weiramon Wine - 17/04/2004 07:55:47 PM 1 Views
and your dumb ass opinion flies in the face of every historical Weiramon Wine - 17/04/2004 08:08:50 PM 1 Views
He asked for outside sources... The Voice of Lews Therin - 17/04/2004 08:17:03 PM 1 Views
Well, not EVERYONE... The Voice of Lews Therin - 17/04/2004 08:25:15 PM 1 Views
Thanks for the unsubstantiated insults. The Logic Ninja - 17/04/2004 08:25:58 PM 1 Views
Fair enough, not literally "everyone." *NM* Weiramon Wine - 17/04/2004 08:27:17 PM 1 Views
They are simply truths Weiramon Wine - 17/04/2004 08:31:34 PM 1 Views
Let's put it this way: The Logic Ninja - 17/04/2004 08:35:30 PM 1 Views
josefis wotadiction - 17/04/2004 09:17:43 PM 22 Views
Josephus... The Logic Ninja - 17/04/2004 09:21:30 PM 1 Views
Is it that time of the month? (yes you profile says male) chorabliss - 17/04/2004 10:21:30 PM 1 Views
Furthermore here is a link that shows my statement chorabliss - 17/04/2004 10:23:28 PM 1 Views
Furthermore why the hostility to a statement? chorabliss - 17/04/2004 10:24:49 PM 1 Views
Furthermore I must state youre a spent condom. chorabliss - 17/04/2004 10:25:12 PM 1 Views
Well, it is not a belief that appears to be held by mainstream Monotonous Mantra - 17/04/2004 11:03:24 PM 1 Views
Of course 18th century chorabliss - 17/04/2004 11:14:24 PM 1 Views
f*ck you're an idiot wads - 17/04/2004 11:47:37 PM 1 Views
You have done academic work for a journal edited chorabliss - 17/04/2004 11:57:06 PM 1 Views
Never mind. *NM* Monotonous Mantra - 18/04/2004 12:05:37 AM 1 Views
My speciality was 1500-1900 years after 30 CE/AD, but... Dylanfanatic - 18/04/2004 12:53:02 AM 45 Views
It does make sense (edit) Monotonous Mantra - 18/04/2004 12:55:20 AM 1 Views
so many edits *NM* Chorabliss - 18/04/2004 01:05:18 AM 1 Views
On account of the debate regarding the 'historicity of Jesus' Monotonous Mantra - 18/04/2004 01:41:10 AM 31 Views
Well...yes. *NM* Monotonous Mantra - 18/04/2004 01:42:33 AM 1 Views
Re: You have done academic work for a journal edited Weiramon Wine - 18/04/2004 08:57:13 AM 1 Views
Re: Let's put it this way: Weiramon Wine - 18/04/2004 09:05:50 AM 1 Views
Re: f*ck you're an idiot Weiramon Wine - 18/04/2004 09:08:41 AM 1 Views
What you wrote makes lots of sense. *NM* Weiramon Wine - 18/04/2004 09:11:02 AM 1 Views
Re: He asked for outside sources... Weiramon Wine - 18/04/2004 09:24:39 AM 1 Views
I actually thought WW was reasoned and made good points. p hart - 18/04/2004 09:32:13 AM 1 Views
Dear Weirmon and Logic Ninja, may I interuppt this a moment? Tashmere - 18/04/2004 12:48:31 PM 1 Views
Very nice. ~applauds~ *NM* bcondray - 18/04/2004 03:03:50 PM 1 Views
I can't draw a conclusion without a PhD? The Voice of Lews Therin - 18/04/2004 03:12:38 PM 1 Views
A completely useless exercise. Mossman - 18/04/2004 03:30:34 PM 35 Views
Melodrama does not suit you. Try being less flamboyant. *NM* chorabliss - 18/04/2004 04:54:14 PM 1 Views
Youre a moron. *NM* chorabliss - 18/04/2004 04:55:24 PM 1 Views
Youre the one who began with the insults. Remember that. chorabliss - 18/04/2004 04:56:23 PM 1 Views
No wonder the Scottish lost to the English. chorabliss - 18/04/2004 04:58:13 PM 1 Views
Ignorant? chorabliss - 18/04/2004 04:59:22 PM 1 Views
Obviously all the intelligent Scots immigrated to the US *NM* chorabliss - 18/04/2004 05:00:18 PM 1 Views
do you understand the meaning of the word may? wads - 18/04/2004 05:05:21 PM 1 Views
Not all historians chorabliss - 18/04/2004 05:10:16 PM 1 Views
here's why you are an idiot wads - 18/04/2004 05:14:05 PM 1 Views
Thing is... The Logic Ninja - 18/04/2004 06:25:05 PM 1 Views
You were not insulting. Chorabliss - 18/04/2004 06:49:01 PM 1 Views
You are leaning towards racism, here. Monotonous Mantra - 18/04/2004 06:53:23 PM 1 Views
Oh, you were plenty insulting. The Logic Ninja - 18/04/2004 07:06:38 PM 1 Views
An insult for an insult. Chorabliss - 18/04/2004 07:13:33 PM 1 Views
Leave now. Chorabliss - 18/04/2004 07:14:27 PM 1 Views
The statement linked his intelligence to race Monotonous Mantra - 18/04/2004 07:22:23 PM 1 Views
That's a pretty pointless approach. The Logic Ninja - 18/04/2004 07:39:46 PM 1 Views
I see it as creating balance within the world. *NM* Chorabliss - 18/04/2004 11:11:34 PM 1 Views
He is the same race as me - white. Chorabliss - 18/04/2004 11:13:52 PM 1 Views
That's a minor technicality Monotonous Mantra - 18/04/2004 11:48:54 PM 1 Views
I have tried to be patient with you chorabliss - 19/04/2004 01:16:44 AM 1 Views
By all means, tolerate Monotonous Mantra - 19/04/2004 02:02:25 AM 1 Views
Thank you snoopster - 19/04/2004 05:10:09 AM 1 Views
I hate to say it snoopster - 19/04/2004 05:19:59 AM 1 Views
Don't be a complete moron snoopster - 19/04/2004 05:21:38 AM 1 Views
Not for me it isn't snoopster - 19/04/2004 05:34:44 AM 1 Views
He has greatly influenced history snoopster - 19/04/2004 05:36:11 AM 1 Views
Some source are certainly stronger than others Weiramon Wine - 19/04/2004 08:29:49 AM 1 Views
Not threatened at all by the possibility Weiramon Wine - 19/04/2004 08:35:33 AM 1 Views
*Takes counsel to heart* Weiramon Wine - 19/04/2004 08:39:16 AM 1 Views
Re: Thing is... Tashmere - 19/04/2004 11:31:27 AM 1 Views
I would have just noteboarded it, but it wasn't meant for just you Tashmere - 19/04/2004 11:35:07 AM 1 Views
lol p hart - 19/04/2004 01:06:56 PM 1 Views
lol *NM* p hart - 19/04/2004 01:07:40 PM 1 Views
Re: Yeah... The Logic Ninja - 19/04/2004 01:08:43 PM 1 Views
I dont see it as racism,but who says im white? p hart - 19/04/2004 01:10:54 PM 1 Views
I appreciate what your doing, but as i said in a previous post p hart - 19/04/2004 01:17:50 PM 1 Views
... p hart - 19/04/2004 01:39:43 PM 1 Views
Hardly p hart - 19/04/2004 01:47:10 PM 1 Views
Your friend is going to lose that argument The Voice of Lews Therin - 19/04/2004 03:57:05 PM 1 Views
you're in the wrong here wads - 19/04/2004 08:27:42 PM 1 Views
oh dear wads - 19/04/2004 08:32:55 PM 1 Views
perhaps wads - 19/04/2004 08:35:17 PM 1 Views
A good point, for the sake of the knowledge itself Monotonous Mantra - 19/04/2004 09:48:46 PM 1 Views
Well, it does not have so much do with you as to Monotonous Mantra - 19/04/2004 09:50:04 PM 1 Views
I was 99% sure he was going to, but I like to check this kinda thing snoopster - 20/04/2004 05:48:51 AM 1 Views
that's not how it looks to me snoopster - 20/04/2004 05:51:31 AM 1 Views
Fair enough *NM* p hart - 20/04/2004 11:56:04 AM 1 Views
I never responded to chora.. p hart - 20/04/2004 12:00:18 PM 1 Views
Ok... p hart - 20/04/2004 12:11:10 PM 1 Views
Re: that's not how it looks to me p hart - 20/04/2004 12:16:58 PM 1 Views
yes oh dear. p hart - 20/04/2004 01:44:42 PM 1 Views
basically wads - 20/04/2004 09:12:52 PM 1 Views
you are wrong wads - 20/04/2004 09:15:27 PM 1 Views
your bias wads - 20/04/2004 09:28:49 PM 1 Views
Ok im not too keen on this going on further. p hart - 21/04/2004 10:33:52 AM 1 Views
Re: basically p hart - 21/04/2004 10:43:31 AM 1 Views
Re: your bias p hart - 21/04/2004 10:48:39 AM 1 Views
you're pathetic wads - 21/04/2004 07:00:30 PM 1 Views
that's because you're in the wrong wads - 21/04/2004 07:04:50 PM 1 Views
I used to respect your opinion Durandir - 22/04/2004 12:12:12 AM 1 Views
You are a pinnacle of academic professionalism and reason Durandir - 22/04/2004 12:14:07 AM 1 Views
Headline: Wannabe Academic Throws Hissy Fit *NM* Durandir - 22/04/2004 12:18:07 AM 1 Views
Hardly. p hart - 22/04/2004 09:55:35 AM 1 Views
Would you want me to lie? p hart - 22/04/2004 09:58:14 AM 1 Views
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