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You can't prove existential negatives. The Logic Ninja - 13/04/2004 04:22:17 PM

I meant that without outright proof you can't claim an emphatic refutation of belief/faith in God's existence.

Not for no reason. It is hard to wrap one's head around the idea that the this ball of matter appeared for no reason at all and exploded. While there is scant evidence to prove that God exists there is no evidence to suggest otherwise either - so unless you can provide the evidence you spoke can you claim to not beleive in God? Or would claim to be agnostic?

I swear, I just need to make a journal with this in it, and link people to it over and over.

You can't prove existential negatives. You can't "prove" that God doesn't exist... but neither can you prove that SANTA doesn't exist. That doesn't mean it's reasonable or logical to believe in God, any more than it is to do so in Santa. Negatives are assumed until positives are evidenced. It's the rational way.

Furthermore, there's no difference between "I do not believe that there is a god" and "I do believe that there is not a god," aka "I don't believe in God." They're the same thing. There's no difference between not believing and believing not. As far as you can tell, it just ain't true. God is not a testable scientific hypothesis one can disprove. There's no actual evidence, so it's not reasonable to believe in God.

A "ball of matter" didn't just appear, and nothing actually exploded, by the way.


I am not yet born, console me.
I fear that the human race may with tall walls wall me,
with strong drugs dope me, with wise lies lure me,
on black racks rack me, in blood-baths roll me.




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I find it odd that many religious people are still anti-evolution Gavroche - 11/04/2004 06:08:32 PM 260 Views
Not everyone acknowledges the Pope. *NM* Vivien - 11/04/2004 06:15:07 PM 13 Views
I'm sorry... but this was somehow extremely funny. *NM* Danae alThor - 11/04/2004 06:20:20 PM 12 Views
I can see it now..."You just knocked over the Pope!" Arok Manok - 11/04/2004 06:25:47 PM 63 Views
Heh. Cool smiley. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 11/04/2004 09:49:25 PM 6 Views
I forgive you. *NM* Vivien - 11/04/2004 06:43:04 PM 7 Views
For one thing, while most Christians respect him, not all are Catholic Arok Manok - 11/04/2004 06:24:41 PM 62 Views
of course, that can be referred to my post lower on the board Gavroche - 11/04/2004 07:03:31 PM 26 Views
As to Catholics Alexandros - 11/04/2004 07:56:18 PM 23 Views
Shouldn't it be the other way around? The Logic Ninja - 11/04/2004 08:37:27 PM 36 Views
Of course not. Alexandros - 11/04/2004 09:34:38 PM 25 Views
You know... farmboy - 12/04/2004 04:25:25 AM 20 Views
Also, where did Caine's wife come from? The Logic Ninja - 12/04/2004 06:35:28 AM 25 Views
Exactly! farmboy - 12/04/2004 02:19:40 PM 16 Views
Wow, what an original point!!!! Green Gaidin - 13/04/2004 05:01:22 AM 12 Views
Demonsesese! *NM* Arok Manok - 13/04/2004 11:07:02 AM 6 Views
Mel Gibson's dad snoopster - 12/04/2004 05:27:41 AM 22 Views
Well, to be fair, Jews are not Christians... Arok Manok - 13/04/2004 11:12:03 AM 11 Views
Not my meaning snoopster - 15/04/2004 07:14:24 AM 5 Views
*arrives in a hijacked popemobile* chorabliss - 11/04/2004 07:15:03 PM 45 Views
Do you have some good papal history links? *NM* ÐragonForever - 12/04/2004 05:30:09 AM 7 Views
id reccomend reading books on it chorabliss - 15/04/2004 12:55:01 PM 5 Views
People that don't are mostly literal-believers. Alexandros - 11/04/2004 07:37:35 PM 24 Views
I feel that too many people are becoming Arian-type Christians. Arok Manok - 13/04/2004 11:16:48 AM 10 Views
are you really suprised? Mat Maniac - 11/04/2004 08:11:01 PM 31 Views
Please note The Logic Ninja - 11/04/2004 08:45:22 PM 26 Views
Re: Please note Mat Maniac - 12/04/2004 01:45:31 AM 15 Views
I agree. Evolution may be the method reason understands... Arok Manok - 13/04/2004 12:01:24 PM 8 Views
people prefer mysticism and faith to fact and science wads - 11/04/2004 10:41:41 PM 32 Views
Thought I was gonna have to disagree with you. Arok Manok - 12/04/2004 01:27:16 AM 30 Views
A snide response. The Logic Ninja - 12/04/2004 09:13:12 PM 14 Views
But there IS evidence. Just not published in Science journals. Green Gaidin - 13/04/2004 05:12:40 AM 14 Views
Geez. The Logic Ninja - 13/04/2004 08:00:07 AM 18 Views
The point of faith is that you don't need scientific proof. Arok Manok - 13/04/2004 11:39:14 AM 11 Views
You do realize The Logic Ninja - 13/04/2004 03:49:06 PM 13 Views
Science is based on sensible assumptions... Monotonous Mantra - 13/04/2004 11:49:54 AM 12 Views
He doesn't see it that way because he sees his faith as quantifiable. *NM* Arok Manok - 13/04/2004 11:54:47 AM 5 Views
Yeah, *sensible assumptions*, The Logic Ninja - 13/04/2004 03:13:43 PM 11 Views
But not proven Monotonous Mantra - 13/04/2004 03:15:50 PM 10 Views
Huh? The Logic Ninja - 13/04/2004 03:54:38 PM 12 Views
True Monotonous Mantra - 13/04/2004 04:05:10 PM 12 Views
You can't prove existential negatives. The Logic Ninja - 13/04/2004 04:22:17 PM 11 Views
Re: You can't prove existential negatives. Monotonous Mantra - 13/04/2004 04:34:02 PM 9 Views
See THEOLOGY for Reason in support of Faith. *NM* Arok Manok - 13/04/2004 11:53:43 AM 7 Views
Like what? The Logic Ninja - 13/04/2004 04:23:31 PM 7 Views
Next time you're in the barber chair... Arok Manok - 13/04/2004 11:19:52 AM 12 Views
You still don't get it. The Logic Ninja - 13/04/2004 03:09:56 PM 14 Views
Furthermore, the age of the world is a separate issue from evolution. *NM* The Logic Ninja - 12/04/2004 12:08:34 AM 9 Views
Not entirely. If a Christian found a way to prove the Earth was young Arok Manok - 12/04/2004 01:36:12 AM 23 Views
Yeah, but they're still two separate issues. The Logic Ninja - 12/04/2004 02:12:50 AM 17 Views
They are linked, and one requires the other. Arok Manok - 13/04/2004 11:43:43 AM 12 Views
No. No, not really. The Logic Ninja - 13/04/2004 03:51:51 PM 7 Views
*shrugs* Nebhead - 12/04/2004 06:19:05 AM 16 Views
I think it is silly to hold onto beliefs from a book written by , you kazetaran - 12/04/2004 10:31:13 AM 26 Views
it's not the catholics mierin sedai - 13/04/2004 03:55:14 PM 13 Views
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