And do you not realize how ridiculous and unreasonable a thing to do this is? Not just with proof, without *evidence*. Having faith in God is no different than having faith in Santa.

So then why waste your time with us morons? You could be doing something so much more useful with your time, like using Science to cure cancer, make blind people see, deaf people hear, dead people live again.... oh, wait.

Why in the world would you believe something unevidenced? If there's no evidenced, there's *no reason to believe it*.

There IS evidence, but your reasoining as to its worth is flawed. You as for recordable evidence. Cold hard facts. You're asking for a physical proff of something that is, by definition, non-physical. Can you use my telephone to prove that there is no friction in space (and no, calling someone at the University doesn't count )? Of course not. God is not something physical, so how can you prove that He exists in a lab?

All the evidence that you need is the stuff you refuse to listen to, or scoff at. Like when prayers are answered in ways you would never have thought possible.It happens to me a whole lot, actually, and it happens to people I know who pray on a regular basis. I'm not going to bother you with specifics, though, because I think we both know that you don't really care to hear it and won't believe it anyway. Right?

You're playing semantics with the word "fact", and not the useful let's-figure-out-exactly-what-the-other-person-is-saying kind of semantics either. That we don't know something "for sure" because hypothetically, we could be wrong is a generally recognized assumption that, well, has no bearing on anything.

Maybe. And if I live that long and am presented with that evidence, hopefully, I'll be rational enough to change my viewpoint.

Believing in something based on evidence is sensible. It could turn out that you're wrong, in which case you ought to change your mind, but it's sensible. Believing in something that *nothing* evidences is NOT sensible. Faith is of *no* value as a way of figuring out what's true. Your argument is "there's a margin of error in what we percieve as facts, so blind evidenceless guesses are just as good as such facts", basically. It's erroneous.

You're wrong. If you live your life carrying around a lab book and need cold hard facts for EVERYHTING, then you're going to have a sad life. Life is about things and forces you can't understand or control. Kind of like God.

Well, there you go. You're not giving any sort of an argument as to why faith is good. All you're saying is, "well, you could be wrong."

Just like Science can't say that we ARE wrong. Just "Chances are you're wrong." The Earth being round was wrong way back when because it couldn't be proven YET. One day (by Christian reckoning, Armageddon) YOU may be proven wrong. *shrugs* It COULD happen, right? Now I'm sounding like a scientist!!!

Yeah, I could. But modern facts and scientific theories are WAY less likely to be wrong than plain old faith.

lol.


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