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Re: So in the Swabian accent there is no difference between s and ss? netweaver - 26/04/2004 06:37:33 AM

I noticed that, at my last job, the Germans in the office seemed to have two ways of pronouncing the "ch" - in many instances (for example, in "ich" ) it was closer to a "sh" sound than to the hard "ch" sound...is that dialectical and if so, from which region? Sorry, I just remembered that when you mentioned the "s" issue.
Standard German has two allophones of /x/, if that was what you were referring to? Palatal fricative after front vowels (for example in <ich&gt, velar fricative after back vowels (for example in <ach&gt.
Some dialects do have the front allophone further forward than palatal though; I have a great-grandmother who has a dorsal postalveolar fricative in <ich>, but I'm not sure where she is from.....(It might also be because of age..I never used to pay any attention to it)


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Re: So in the Swabian accent there is no difference between s and ss? netweaver - 26/04/2004 06:37:33 AM 1 Views
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