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Re: To be fair... Walruss - 24/01/2003 03:50:22 PM

You were totally entitled to your opinion, and I was entitled to think it was shortsighted in my opinion. The wonders of democracy at its finest.
Fewer and fewer of those.

Human Rights issues are very touchy, as EVERY country in the world, with the possible exception of Canada who never seems to do much of anything, is quilty of some sort of Human Rights blunder.
Yes, pretty much. The argument stands though.

Define 'innocent'. If that means killing 40 civilians to kill 1 madman, and the return on investment is saving the lives of millions? Then I send my deepest apologies to those 40 civilians, let it be known that they did not die in veign. Everyone wants changes and cohesion, but nobody wants to pay the bill. Put up or shut up, I hate to say it but it has come to that point for the nations of the world. Do I see anyone else stepping up to fix these problems? Do we chastise the French for their mistakes the same way everyone loves to tee off on the U.S.? WWII grossly due to the French dithering about and not taking an early stand. Did I mention the French gave the land that Germany launched its assault on Poland from at the Munich Treaties? Vietnam? A mess the French created, and asked the U.S. for assistance in fixing - that blew up in our face. When do the other nations of the world get their turn to be front and center and take their due share of the responsiblity? Oh, that's right...never. Because only America has poorly conceived foreign policies and self-fulfillment as a primary goal of their government. Bah!
If this is sarcasm, then you are a factor not to be underestimated. If not, you should brush up on your world history. France and the UK were very much in agreement, both with the Tjekkoslovakian disaster and Germany's attack on Poland. France didn't do all this alone, and I find it rather strange that you think so. We were all guilty in that war, just as we are in all wars. If this is satire, you have my respect. if not, you have me befuzzled.

They don't have to 'prove' it to the U.S., they have to prove it to the WORLD. Any time, ANY time, there is strife or famine or unrest or a big guy beating up on a little guy, who is the 1st nation that gets the call? The United States. And after we've repaired, mended, paid for, or vanquished the problem - our typical form of repayment is resentment and aggression from those we've aided. China earned the right by suffering massive losses to Japan in WWII. Russia earned the right much the same, as did France. They continue to prove, by not overtly or openly bullying nations with their Nuclear power, that they are 'worthy' of that responsiblity. You're right, it makes more sense fot the religious fanatics in earthen houses and debris filled streets from neighbor on neighbor violence to have a nuclear weapon, then it is for the Democratic, open exchange of ideas, civilized nations of the world to have nuclear weapons. What business have we in trying to prevent a nation who barely has stable electricity from having nuclear weapons? Silly us. Come on, that's just common sense.
My oppinion is that nobody should have nuclear weapons, ant that nopthing can earn them the right, but you seem to say that some of the nations your country has been very much at odds with have earned the right to the most powerful weapon built by man.


Human Rights issues aside, for that is an entirely different barrel of monkeys.
I was thinking about UN restrictions in general.

The U.S., foolishly perhaps, in good faith funded and gave weapons to a nation we believed to be a blossoming ally. Those funds were misdirected, their intentions were cloaked, and the weapons were misused. The economy, was botched while Clinton was in his lame duck term in office, he skipped out the doors with the roof of the economy collapsing down around him. The internet bubble burst while Clinton was still getting 'freebies' in the oval office. So I don't think any smoke and mirrors distraction is necessary for the current administration. The economy is what it is, bad.
Not just the US, the entire UN, was at fault, and supporting Saddam said on thing: Oil.

The U.S. IS unchallenged. Rightfully so! We are the most powerful nation in all of history. We have elements of every nation on the globe in our country. So logically, if we represent (as closely as currently exists) the world community entirely, we should be the ones most involved with policing the nations of the world. It's not like the U.N. could do it without the U.S. The U.N. couldn't stop a bar brawl in Dublin without U.S. assistance. Get a grip. This isn't a U.S. back patting statement, like I'm that arrogant and proud, but lets be for real at least. We're in need of some changes as a nation just like the next guy, but the U.S. is a great country because those changes will occur over time. We're ever evolving as a nation.
US US über allest? Heard that one before.
One, anomalis, event that occured and you want to condemn the lot of us for it. Accidents happen, on large and small scales. Tragic?, yes. Villifying?, no.



But the dogs you say they fed you to
Lay their muzzles in your lap
And the lions that they led you to
Lie down and take a nap

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