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Yeah, but... The Intelligence Police - 18/01/2003 04:45:37 AM

So religion is sexist, is it? Read the Old Testament (I can't speak for the Qur'an, but I think it's not dissimilar, despite the image that Islam has today) and you will probably find that there are no sexist laws in it. Perhaps you can find an example to prove me wrong, but I think that the laws are only made within the particular culture of the Ancient Hebrews, which had specific notions about the different roles of men and women. This is not to say that God wanted everyone from then on to have the same ideas. IMO, If you like, the law allows for the ideas held by the Ancient Hebrews, but does not prescribe them for others.
The old testament is plenty sexist. "Thou shalt not covet another man's wife"? what about husband? The laws were clearly addressed to the men, because they, essentially, owned the women. In fact, even today, the extreme-Orthodox prayer exists, thanking the Lord that you were not born a (something, I forget), that you were not born a gentile, and that you were not born a woman. It is Eve who is decieved by the serpent, it is Lot's wife who glances back, not him, and so on.

Now for Christianity, which is, after all, the religion most in question here. Look at how Jesus talked to women. While everyone else around him treated women as second class citizens with preconceived notions as to their worth as human beings, Jesus treated women with respect and afforded them a dignity which society did not. The story of the Samaritan woman at the well shows that Jesus went against both the sexist and racist attitudes of his culture. Christianity abhors racism, sexism, and all other forms of oppression. I wish I didn't need to say that - surely no-one could so grossly misunderstand Christianity? Unfortunately, in a country where Bible-belters have in the past enslaved and hanged blacks, and treated women as lower-class beings, it does need to be said.
And yet, according to the New Testament, women should be subservient to their husbands, and shouldn't even speak in church.

The cultural attitudes that certain practisers of a religion have cannot be linked inextricably to that religion. What people worship on a Sunday/Saturday/Friday is a separate thing from how they treat different groups of people, although it shouldn't be because they should treat them properly. Just because Christians in the Southern states are often racist, it doesn't mean that Christians anywhere else are racist, or that Christianity contains racism anywhere in its doctrine. It's just a coincidence.
But hey, if it's -in the scripture-...

I see what you mean by saying that people living in some parts of the Southern US are likely to a) call themselves Christians and b) be racist/sexist, but neither is the cause of the other. It is a big logical error to assume that two things that often happen together are causally linked: sometimes, both share a common cause.
Yes: the unquestioning, tradition-based, hyperconservative, antiprogressive mentality of the general region.


Yet each man kills the thing he loves--
By each let this be heard...
The coward does it with a kiss,
The brave man with a sword!




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Noam Chomsky - 16/01/2003 10:22:46 PM 255 Views
I think Chomsky has some axes to grind...so I think he's off the mark *NM* - 16/01/2003 10:25:05 PM 3 Views
Re: Have you read much of him? - 16/01/2003 10:27:38 PM 18 Views
Yeah - 16/01/2003 10:31:12 PM 21 Views
Just a question, since I'm a bit out of my depth - 16/01/2003 10:46:33 PM 22 Views
Re: Mostly, it means Fanatical. - 16/01/2003 10:49:53 PM 23 Views
Alrighty, then - 16/01/2003 10:54:56 PM 16 Views
Re: Okay, thanks. *NM* - 16/01/2003 11:00:13 PM 1 Views
LOL! - 16/01/2003 10:59:57 PM 31 Views
Re: Yes. - 16/01/2003 11:07:48 PM 24 Views
I don't agree. - 17/01/2003 12:12:33 AM 21 Views
Re: Fair enough. - 17/01/2003 10:32:20 AM 16 Views
Um.... I don't think you caught onto my point. - 18/01/2003 04:27:53 AM 14 Views
Re: Thanks for the thoughtful replies. - 18/01/2003 11:55:18 PM 5 Views
My old roommate was a big chomsky fan. - 17/01/2003 12:48:30 AM 23 Views
Re: How would you support his statement? *NM* - 17/01/2003 10:34:08 AM 2 Views
Noam Chomsky - the left-wing lunatic - 17/01/2003 02:30:14 AM 22 Views
Actually I think he's more of an anarchist. From what I've read. - 17/01/2003 08:53:48 AM 12 Views
Re: Thanks. - 17/01/2003 10:38:29 AM 15 Views
He's talking about the Bible-belt. - 17/01/2003 04:48:58 AM 25 Views
Re: Really? - 17/01/2003 10:52:05 AM 32 Views
I guess as one of the few vocal Southerners here, I should answer this - 17/01/2003 11:18:20 AM 19 Views
Re: Culture - 17/01/2003 11:26:17 AM 15 Views
Examples - 17/01/2003 11:41:42 AM 16 Views
My school system is easy to fool, and I'd quite like to read your post - 17/01/2003 02:19:36 PM 15 Views
I can sum it up here, in a few words instead - 17/01/2003 02:38:32 PM 10 Views
I'd agree, but I'd change one word. - 17/01/2003 03:55:22 PM 7 Views
True enough... - 17/01/2003 04:02:10 PM 6 Views
But the Racism/sexism is due to their version of Xtianity - 17/01/2003 03:03:47 PM 12 Views
Fair point. Just pls don't tar me or other Xtians with the same brush. *NM* - 17/01/2003 03:58:25 PM 3 Views
Yeah, but... - 18/01/2003 04:45:37 AM 7 Views
Re: Yeah, but... - 18/01/2003 05:11:38 AM 6 Views
Re: Those are rather flimsy. - 17/01/2003 07:08:33 PM 6 Views
Not really - 17/01/2003 07:36:24 PM 11 Views
Re: A few quickies. - 17/01/2003 08:42:11 PM 5 Views
Nah, those were just extreme examples - 17/01/2003 09:16:03 PM 11 Views
Re: Okay, thanks for your views. - 18/01/2003 11:56:58 PM 4 Views
I guess I see something different in his comment than most... - 17/01/2003 01:34:00 PM 10 Views
Re: Americanization, and I'm not sure I see your point. - 17/01/2003 07:13:00 PM 3 Views
Re: Americanization, and I'm not sure I see your point. - 17/01/2003 07:49:03 PM 9 Views
religious fundamentalism? - 17/01/2003 06:25:27 PM 5 Views
Re: I think you are. - 17/01/2003 07:19:27 PM 7 Views
he's insane *NM* - 19/01/2003 10:44:00 PM 1 Views