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Re: A few quickies. F. - 17/01/2003 08:42:11 PM

I'm not going to debate every point, as we will quickly find ourselves talking past, or over, one another. However, I'll just toss out a few quick things, and hope IE does not attack me again.

You say we speak of different definitions, and then toss a few examples, such as people shying away from AIDS infected persons, blacks, gays. Popular culture is not something that is difficult to define. It refers to things which are popularly accepted by a nation ,though one could make the argument for races, religions, etc.; here we speak of the US, so we will use the term nation. By popularly, I mean the majority of people accept it, or do it, or participate in it. I am sure you would not dispute this. Next, we must look at the nature of Chomsky's statement:

"The US, in fact, is one of the most fundamentalist cultures in the world; not in the state, but in the popular culture."

My basic problem with your examples, is that they do not really address this statement, and the distinction he draws between the state and popular culture. The state discrimination example, or the divorce one, are examples of state fundamentalism, if they exist.

The "shying away" from a person with AIDS is certainly not a part of the popular "culture"; it occurs due to ignorance, when it occurs at all. Would you make the argument that most people shy away from a person who speaks a different language or is black?

You have run quite far from the statement, and, I think, given too much leeway to the term "popular culture".

Maybe not so quick, but I did restrain my fingers somewhat.

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Noam Chomsky - 16/01/2003 10:22:46 PM 255 Views
I think Chomsky has some axes to grind...so I think he's off the mark *NM* - 16/01/2003 10:25:05 PM 3 Views
Re: Have you read much of him? - 16/01/2003 10:27:38 PM 18 Views
Yeah - 16/01/2003 10:31:12 PM 21 Views
Just a question, since I'm a bit out of my depth - 16/01/2003 10:46:33 PM 22 Views
Re: Mostly, it means Fanatical. - 16/01/2003 10:49:53 PM 23 Views
Alrighty, then - 16/01/2003 10:54:56 PM 16 Views
Re: Okay, thanks. *NM* - 16/01/2003 11:00:13 PM 1 Views
LOL! - 16/01/2003 10:59:57 PM 31 Views
Re: Yes. - 16/01/2003 11:07:48 PM 24 Views
I don't agree. - 17/01/2003 12:12:33 AM 21 Views
Re: Fair enough. - 17/01/2003 10:32:20 AM 16 Views
Um.... I don't think you caught onto my point. - 18/01/2003 04:27:53 AM 14 Views
Re: Thanks for the thoughtful replies. - 18/01/2003 11:55:18 PM 5 Views
My old roommate was a big chomsky fan. - 17/01/2003 12:48:30 AM 23 Views
Re: How would you support his statement? *NM* - 17/01/2003 10:34:08 AM 2 Views
Noam Chomsky - the left-wing lunatic - 17/01/2003 02:30:14 AM 22 Views
Actually I think he's more of an anarchist. From what I've read. - 17/01/2003 08:53:48 AM 12 Views
Re: Thanks. - 17/01/2003 10:38:29 AM 15 Views
He's talking about the Bible-belt. - 17/01/2003 04:48:58 AM 25 Views
Re: Really? - 17/01/2003 10:52:05 AM 32 Views
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Re: Culture - 17/01/2003 11:26:17 AM 15 Views
Examples - 17/01/2003 11:41:42 AM 16 Views
My school system is easy to fool, and I'd quite like to read your post - 17/01/2003 02:19:36 PM 15 Views
I can sum it up here, in a few words instead - 17/01/2003 02:38:32 PM 10 Views
I'd agree, but I'd change one word. - 17/01/2003 03:55:22 PM 7 Views
True enough... - 17/01/2003 04:02:10 PM 6 Views
But the Racism/sexism is due to their version of Xtianity - 17/01/2003 03:03:47 PM 12 Views
Fair point. Just pls don't tar me or other Xtians with the same brush. *NM* - 17/01/2003 03:58:25 PM 3 Views
Yeah, but... - 18/01/2003 04:45:37 AM 7 Views
Re: Yeah, but... - 18/01/2003 05:11:38 AM 6 Views
Re: Those are rather flimsy. - 17/01/2003 07:08:33 PM 6 Views
Not really - 17/01/2003 07:36:24 PM 11 Views
Re: A few quickies. - 17/01/2003 08:42:11 PM 5 Views
Nah, those were just extreme examples - 17/01/2003 09:16:03 PM 11 Views
Re: Okay, thanks for your views. - 18/01/2003 11:56:58 PM 4 Views
I guess I see something different in his comment than most... - 17/01/2003 01:34:00 PM 10 Views
Re: Americanization, and I'm not sure I see your point. - 17/01/2003 07:13:00 PM 3 Views
Re: Americanization, and I'm not sure I see your point. - 17/01/2003 07:49:03 PM 9 Views
religious fundamentalism? - 17/01/2003 06:25:27 PM 5 Views
Re: I think you are. - 17/01/2003 07:19:27 PM 7 Views
he's insane *NM* - 19/01/2003 10:44:00 PM 1 Views